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What happened to the soft shell/hard shell fabric?

post #1 of 12
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I cannot remember what it is called, but I recall reading about the US Ski Team using the fabric that is soft and pliable until it hits something, then becomes hard. They were using in ski clothing where they hit gates.

It sounds kind of magical and I would think it would be really popular. Imagine a coat made of this, you hit a tree, it firms up and protects like a large plastic shield. Add a little interior padding and insulation and you have a nice coat and a piece of safety gear.

Anyone have an update on this stuff?

mark
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Leki rocks

I have had plain old cheap poles, until, when having a fairly big fall, one of them broke my rib, being too stiff.

If I had a carbon rod back, I beleive that they would have not broke that rib, or just decrease the impact to a crack.

That was th point I have decided on a pair of LEKI carbons; paid 40 EUR for them, but they are quite flexible, and the trigger system is awsome.

Worht a try, in my opinion.
post #4 of 12
Yeah Kjus uses that fabric in some of thieir stuff so yes, it is still out there. Look for the price of a jacket with that fabric to have a comma in it, though... very pricey.
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Still waiting for someone to shove Silly Putty under some football pads.
post #6 of 12
They do it for the other kind of football (soccer) in some goalie shin pads and gloves.

There are also several companies (Spyder and Quicksilver, among others) who are putting a layer in hats and toques. More protection than a normal hat and doesn't look like a helmet. Quicksilver is also making some base layer gear with d3o padding in the shoulders, elbows, hips and knees.

Pretty cool stuff.

CJ
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Fox Hat, this is exactly what I remembered.

Now, I just need to find someone who has something like the Sypder suit or underbody stuff.

It seems like there must be a catch (other than price). Given the huge number of extreme sports out there, I would think this stuff would be required equipment for every snowboarder, downhill mountain biker and rock climber around. Yet I never hear about it, and only the one video with the guy and the shovel.

Anyone have a testimonial?

mark
post #8 of 12
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Originally Posted by MonarchSkiGuy View Post
It seems like there must be a catch (other than price). Given the huge number of extreme sports out there, I would think this stuff would be required equipment for every snowboarder, downhill mountain biker and rock climber around.
The catch is that it spreads impact energy instead of absorbing it.

Some other material must absorb it. Therefore either you make a double thick pad (d3o + absorber) or it is really only for extremely light impact, a bruise reduction mechanism really. So, sure, fencing jackets but I really don't see rock climbers or cavers giving up their hardshell helmets when a rock can fall from 60 meters above their heads.

So, Atomicman, would you pay for a d30 ski bag?
post #9 of 12
Funny, I looked at the prices of items with d30 outside of skiing and they are reasonable and not much more than conventional items.....ski items though, the price jump is rediculous.....always robbing.
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
Funny, I looked at the prices of items with d30 outside of skiing and they are reasonable and not much more than conventional items.....ski items though, the price jump is rediculous.....always robbing.

Any motorcycle jackets? If the stuff is as abrasion resistant as kangaroo leather, I'll quit being mr. cynical.
post #11 of 12
I saw a clip on you tube with motorcycle gear, but haven't seen any retail products. As far as spreading the impact energy rather than absorbing it, spreading it will help a great deal for point impacts.

CJ
post #12 of 12
Sure, but do we really hit things with our soft bits much? That's the only place we can't wear hard shell.

We wear hard shells on our hard bits, but we don't really hit things with the soft bits that move, and when we do abrasion resistance is more the name of the game than bruising pro. A biker putting a bike down at 60mph, the bruising is far less damaging than the friction and the exhaust heat.

Leather, and hardened leather, has been around for thousands of years because it does actually do all these things, i.e. moderate impact pro, abrasion resistance, and good price point. Is there a reason to make something like an archer's forearm guard out of d30 instead of leather?

Knee pads/knee sleeves would be great for skaters, though I don't see d30 replacing Kevlar throat, artery or tendon guards.
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