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post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
Hey everyone. I've been lurking for awhile and need some advice on finding a new ski boot.

I'm 38 72" tall and I weigh about 210. I've been skiing since I was about 8 and am a strong level 7 bordering on level 8. I currently ski on Atomic Izor 9:7s and I'm using a pair of Nordica trend 07's I purchased back in 2000 with a pair of Elan Diablo's (great ski BTW).

Anyways, when I purchased my Atomics in 2006 I bought a pair of HEAD S8 boots and I just never really liked them. They don't fit right (too much angle movement) and are very heavy for the 9:7's. My old Nordica trend 07's are a much lighter boot and I experience less foot fatigue with them which is why I shelved the Head boots. The reason why I want/need to replace my Nordica boots is because I think they are a little soft for the way I ski and I'm looking for something more capable of handling my more advanced style. I have a relatively wide feet and as I've mentioned I'm looking for a light, advanced boot. If anyone could recommend some brands and models I should consider I would greatly appreciate it.

TIA, Greg
post #2 of 27
1) this site has a WHOLE forum for boot fitting

2) look for a good bootfitter, not a good boot. (that is the bootfitter job, and they have more knowledge about it)
post #3 of 27
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1) this site has a WHOLE forum for boot fitting

2) look for a good bootfitter, not a good boot. (that is the bootfitter job, and they have more knowledge about it)
Oh for goodness sake, get off your high horse. The guy said he was new (as am I, so I mean no disrespect to you as an established member of the forum....this is feedback).

There is a forum called "Ask the Boot Guys" parallel to this one.

Do you see how that is so much more helpful and welcoming?

Greggor, unfortunately there are elements of the "Boot Fitter is God" community who seem to have difficulty with the concept of an "educated customer". However, if you can get past their attitude they can provide exactly the model orientation information you are looking for....as you will see in the thread I recently started over there.
post #4 of 27
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Oh for goodness sake, get off your high horse. The guy said he was new (as am I, so I mean no disrespect to you as an established member of the forum....this is feedback).

There is a forum called "Ask the Boot Guys" parallel to this one.

Do you see how that is so much more helpful and welcoming?

Greggor, unfortunately there are elements of the "Boot Fitter is God" community who seem to have difficulty with the concept of an "educated customer". However, if you can get past their attitude they can provide exactly the model orientation information you are looking for....as you will see in the thread I recently started over there.
There has to be at least 10-15 "what boots to buy" threads started (3 today so far?) every week in the Ski Gear discusion forum, while there's a nice big ASK THE BOOT FITTERS forum just a couple of clicks down. It just gets painful when a gear discussion thread constantly gets clogged with boot questions. No doubt you get in the 12 items or less line at the grocery store with your full cart then wonder what the fuss is about?

I know nobody reads the instructions for something before using, but there's a FAQ section that deals with this too.

And your comment that "elements of the "Boot Fitter is God" community who seem to have difficulty with the concept of an "educated customer" seems pretty dumb when someone's asking for advice about bootfitters, but No disrespect to you - just feedback .
post #5 of 27
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Originally Posted by AA23ds View Post
Oh for goodness sake, get off your high horse. The guy said he was new (as am I, so I mean no disrespect to you as an established member of the forum....this is feedback).

There is a forum called "Ask the Boot Guys" parallel to this one.

Do you see how that is so much more helpful and welcoming?

Greggor, unfortunately there are elements of the "Boot Fitter is God" community who seem to have difficulty with the concept of an "educated customer". However, if you can get past their attitude they can provide exactly the model orientation information you are looking for....as you will see in the thread I recently started over there.
Dude you are so offbase its not even funny.

He's not on a high horse at all, if anything it's the opposite. Most of us don't know shit about boots, we don't want to steer this guy wrong. Thats why we are "educated consumers" in regards to where we buy boots, not models of boots.

Also the people that do know boots post in that forum, thats why people should look there.

How do you expect anyone to recommend a good fitting boot without seeing the person's foot? Tell me Mr. "educated consumer" how is your pronation? How about the length of your big toe? What do you know about your feet and all of the models of boots out there?

To the OP, trust us, ask about boot fitters, because honestly it's almost impossible to do over the interwebs. As far as brands are concerned, pretty much all of them make some decent boots, it's all about fit. Don't listen to this other JONG blowhard who probably buys gear at Sports Authority.
post #6 of 27
Sooooooooo, I really really love my Salomon Falcon 10s

If you've got a somewhat narrow foot, try em on... they're SWEET!
post #7 of 27
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=74836

The first sentence of that sticky thread in the Ask The Boot Guys forum reads:
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Before you post a thread to the boot guys asking some variation of "Which Boot will work for me", or "can you suggest some brands", please stop. The boot guys cannot see your feet over the internet. The recommendation of a boot requires an evaluation of your foot shape, stance and other mysteries of the bootfitting art.
You should have lurked for longer.

Also, since no one else has done it yet...



SEARCH before you ask, JONG!




post #8 of 27
This site cracks me up. Ever noob in the skiing universe comes here asking what skis or boots to buy.
People, do a Google search for ski boots. Visit manufacturers sites and get a feel for what they have to offer. Then go to a bunch of stores and try on the boots your research lead you to. Why ask people which boots, when we are clueless what will fit your foot?
I BTW am rockin the Tecnica 120 Dragons this season, as they fit my feet great and look real steezy with my gear You may want to check them out.
post #9 of 27
Thread Starter 
This forum has proven to be useless.

It was a simple request for some boot recommendations based on my described ability. Narrowing down some models would make my search easier prior to visiting a few boot fitters.

Oh, and this is a forum which is why people come here to post. Let me spell it out for you.... Forum = post = people provide answers relevant to asked question. I've been skiing for 30 years. I'm quite certain that I don't need some pre madonna telling me how everyone's foot is different.
post #10 of 27
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I'm sorry, but as a teacher I just love this!!
post #11 of 27
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Originally Posted by Greggor View Post
This forum has proven to be useless.

It was a simple request for some boot recommendations based on my described ability. Narrowing down some models would make my search easier prior to visiting a few boot fitters.

Oh, and this is a forum which is why people come here to post. Let me spell it out for you.... Forum = post = people provide answers relevant to asked question. I've been skiing for 30 years. I'm quite certain that I don't need some pre madonna telling me how everyone's foot is different.
So tell us about your foot shape and maybe we can have something to go on. If you've been skiing for 30 years, I'm sure you know that certain brands have a tendency towards one foot shape or another. Are you a Lange or a Nordica, a Salomon or a Techinca, maybe a Dalbello or Head.

Try over at TGR, they might know.

Salomon and Nordica always seem to do well by me.
post #12 of 27
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Originally Posted by Greggor View Post
This forum has proven to be useless.

It was a simple request for some boot recommendations based on my described ability. Narrowing down some models would make my search easier prior to visiting a few boot fitters.

Oh, and this is a forum which is why people come here to post. Let me spell it out for you.... Forum = post = people provide answers relevant to asked question. I've been skiing for 30 years. I'm quite certain that I don't need some pre madonna telling me how everyone's foot is different.
The forum was probably useless because you were in the wrong one .


As mentioned, you may want to try TGR, they're very patient about this.

Or maybe Alpinezone - they could give you advice on what color boot to buy for 600 vertical feet of gnar.

pre madonna - priceless. Somebody's signature for sure. In fact, it's going to be mine!
post #13 of 27
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pre madonna - priceless. Somebody's signature for sure. In fact, it's going to be mine!
Yes and the following shall be mine


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As mentioned, you may want to try TGR, they're very patient about this.
post #14 of 27
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Originally Posted by Greggor View Post
It was a simple request for some boot recommendations based on my described ability. Narrowing down some models would make my search easier prior to visiting a few boot fitters.
How?? Going into a shop to see an expert, you think that you should already know what to try on? You don't trust the fitter to reccomend models that will work for YOUR FOOT and YOUR SKIING STYLE, but you think some random people on the interweb can?!? If this is really the case than you need to find a different boot fitter.
post #15 of 27
I kinda think this may be a double troll, either that or two blow hards who suck at life and have no clue.

I mean how the hell can we provide any info about boots without any info about your foot.

You want brands to try? Heres a list:

Lange
Nordica
Technica
Strolz
Garmont
Salomon
Head
Rossignol
Surefoot (Langes)
Dalbello
Atomic
Any I'm missing folks? I wish I could still put San Marco in tht list
post #16 of 27
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Originally Posted by dumpy View Post
I kinda think this may be a double troll, either that or two blow hards who suck at life and have no clue.

I mean how the hell can we provide any info about boots without any info about your foot.

You want brands to try? Heres a list:

Lange
Nordica
Technica
Strolz
Garmont
Salomon
Head
Rossignol
Surefoot (Langes)
Dalbello
Atomic
Any I'm missing folks? I wish I could still put San Marco in tht list
Upon reading this thread, in its entirety, I would recommend Hanson boots for the OP...
post #17 of 27
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Upon reading this thread, in its entirety, I would recommend Hanson boots for the OP...
They only way to make those fit properly though is to tuck the jeans in to the calf.
post #18 of 27
In every "what boot" thread I recommend a red, rear entry boot. They are very comfortable, extremely roomy and easy to get on and off. Don't go to any bootfitter, just trust me. Keep coming back and asking great questions like this. We'll be here to give you the right answers.
post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post
The forum was probably useless because you were in the wrong one .


As mentioned, you may want to try TGR, they're very patient about this.



Get Sorrels- and a board.
post #20 of 27
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Get Sorrels- and a board.
It appears that the OP already has a board jammed somewhere...
post #21 of 27
Greggor,
I'm about your height but 40+ lbs lighter and 20+ years older. Boots that fit my low volume, 11.5-B shoe size foot are in the 98mm class. I don't know anything about the two boots you mentioned. You didn't mention your foot size so I don't know if my boots will fit you. I searched the forum for questions from folks with a similar shoe size to mine or similar problems they were trying to resolve to help me narrow my choices. After selecting a Salomon boot that was a good fit off the shelf I've added custom footbeds and had several minor tweaks to add room for a big toe and tighten up the space around my heal. Since I'm not a boot guy I know nothing about the boots you've owned except to know that they were not on my list of narrow low volume boots that I knew I needed to look at.
I agree with the points about the benefits of being an educated buyer. The more you know the less likely you are to be sold something that's not right for you. It probably wouldn't happen with a good professional bootfitter but is can sure happen with a boot salesman.
post #22 of 27
Oh wait! I have some Rossi, sorta race boots - they're black with yellow stripes. I've had the right ankle blown out big time so I don't cry after two runs on them, and a lot of padding around the upper part of the liner so my calf doesn't wallow in the void. They're 26.5 - no wait, 25.6, umm, ah, it doesn't matter anyway.

I was going to throw them out - but you should buy them (by tomorrow or I'll put them on fleabay). Special Bear price - $250.
post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by Greggor View Post
.... when I purchased my Atomics in 2006 I bought a pair of HEAD S8 boots and I just never really liked them. They don't fit right (too much angle movement) and are very heavy for the 9:7's.
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Originally Posted by Greggor View Post
My old Nordica trend 07's are a much lighter boot and I experience less foot fatigue with them which is why I shelved the Head boots.
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Originally Posted by Greggor View Post
The reason why I want/need to replace my Nordica boots is because I think they are a little soft for the way I ski
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Originally Posted by Greggor View Post
and I'm looking for something more capable of handling my more advanced style. I have a relatively wide feet and as I've mentioned I'm looking for a light, advanced boot.
Based on his post, I think he wants something similar to Nordica trend 07' but stiffer.

The board admin can move this topic to the right forum and not leave this topic here.

If this is the wrong forum, the description should be changed

This description for this forum is

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Questions, Answers and Comments about Skis, Boots and all other types of gear.
post #24 of 27
I also posted a boots question here - and later figured out why I stopped here first. I'm not familiar with the forum and when I looked at the thread categories the Ask the Boot Guys link was out of sight (needing a scroll down to be seen).

Gear looks like good place to start if you don't know better.

Then I looked at the FAQ - first topic of the FAQ is boots and the detail does not include any mention of Ask the Boot Guys.

I can understand frustration of regulars if they've gone to the trouble of setting up a dedicated area for this topic, but have two suggestions that might reduce unwanted posts in this area:
1) Put Ask the Boot Guys at the top of the Skiing Forums list.
2) Mention the Ask the Boot Guys forum in the gear FAQ.
post #25 of 27
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Originally Posted by Irish_skier View Post
I also posted a boots question here - and later figured out why I stopped here first. I'm not familiar with the forum and when I looked at the thread categories the Ask the Boot Guys link was out of sight (needing a scroll down to be seen).

Gear looks like good place to start if you don't know better.

Then I looked at the FAQ - first topic of the FAQ is boots and the detail does not include any mention of Ask the Boot Guys.

I can understand frustration of regulars if they've gone to the trouble of setting up a dedicated area for this topic, but have two suggestions that might reduce unwanted posts in this area:
1) Put Ask the Boot Guys at the top of the Skiing Forums list.
2) Mention the Ask the Boot Guys forum in the gear FAQ.
Great Idea.
post #26 of 27
I can find long time users with hundreds of posts asking boot questions here. Are those OK? What are the criteria?
post #27 of 27
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I'm quite certain that I don't need some pre madonna telling me how everyone's foot is different.
If Madonna is older than dirt and I was born before Madonna....wait a minute....now I understand why everyone calls me a "pre-madonna"! It's like my children affectionately calling me a geezer, or some other ageist term of endearment.

BTW dude, everyone's foot is different.
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