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Tele gear parallel vs Alpine gear parallel

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I am finding myself doing almost exclusively parallel turns on my tele gear these days, lots of reasons, maybe some other discussin. As a pretty accomplished skier on both platforms, I am always thinking of ways that the techniques are different and similar.

Looking for comments on my latest idea.

On tele gear (T3s (no comments needed), K2 Super Stinx), I get really nice ankle flex, and feel like I can absorb bumps and ride the ski well. Lightweight, and keeping the spirit of tele, without actually skiing leather.

On my alpine gear, the ankle flex is much stiffer obviously. I think that I can flex my ankles, put pressure on my shins, and actually "lift" the tails of the ski, making it quick and easy to do a wedelin style turn. Not meant to be a edge on carved turn, but a quick direction turn. This is a quick turn, good for traverses, and lift line roped areas for instance.

On my tele gear, doing parallels, I cannot do anything like this, and actually feel like I am riding the ski more, and turning by angling and steering the skis without a lot of forward and back action.

Not sure what my point is here. Ideally I can paralled all conditions and all teraain on my tele gear, so am looking for differences between tele and alpine technique.

Any comments for me?
post #2 of 8
Ahhh something I am uniquely qualified to answer as I also bastardize the sport of tele as others here will testify too. No names of those who hold the sport in high esteme will be mentioned.

For me there is no difference between alpine and telel. I can rip deep sidecut carves or rip the zipperline pure alpine on tele gear. Let's face it, alpine turns are superior to tele turns even on tele gear. I have no fear of going over the handlebars.

I have learned to keep the pressure fore and aft under my feet and the flex in my ankle nearly the same no matter what else I am doing. I can extend the knee and hip joints or blend in diagonal moves all without changing the pressure or the ankle flex. This is true alpine or tele. The only other person I have heard here promote this approach is Bob Barnes.

Tightening the turn is a matter of blending tipping the inside ski to a higher angle than the outside ski and independent leg steering.

I am going to the get together of the bears at Blue Knob pennslytucky and I have not decided yet whether I will comply with the prods to get me to ski REAL tele or my bastardized version. Time will tell.
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For some reason this reminded me of a joke I saw the other day:

"What does a tele skier say when he/she runs out of pot?"




"These bindings suck!"



Really, it's all good. I found the telepining helps with balance since you have a smaller sweet spot and it can add a challenge. On the other hand, I've really been enjoying the increase of control of and confidence to let it fly with an alpine rig, plus the release-ability and it's less work.

I do feel like I stand on the skis more in tele gear and drive/work the skis more in alpine gear.

Tracks on the left, me on AT bindings and skis with tele boots, the right tele gear and alpine turns. Who had more fun?

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For some reason this reminded me of a joke I saw the other day:

"What does a tele skier say when he/she runs out of pot?"




"These bindings suck!"
Now Now Alpinord you are not allowed to poke fun an the tele cult. I am only one sane thought away from falling into the total zen of the whole culture. Anything could push me over the edge including rash jokes about the anti establishment.
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Now Now Alpinord you are not allowed to poke fun an the tele cult. I am only one sane thought away from falling into the total zen of the whole culture. Anything could push me over the edge including rash jokes about the anti establishment.
Damn. I figured better than 20 years as free-heeler gave me a hall pass.
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Damn. I figured better than 20 years as free-heeler gave me a hall pass.
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Since open parallel turns are mostly about standing ON the ski there really isn't a discernible difference between tele and alpine.

When you start to get into dynamic parallel it becomes critical to stand AGAINST the ski which makes things get interesting. As you noted it is not really an option to work the whole length of the edge on tele bindings so I find maintaining dynamics at higher speeds/steeper pitches makes the effective edge shorter on my teles.

You do not mention what bindings you are on. I feel Bindings make a bigger difference then boots. The same boot/ski combination can be driven harder with an O2 then they can with a chili binding. If you can, try a hammerhead at 1, then at 5. you'll find its a lot easier to alpine fast at 5. I like the feel of tele on more passive bindings so I am giving up some of my ability to show alpine dynamics a more active tele binding allows.

On occasion I will come back from a tele lesson and get sent out on an upper level alpine lesson without the time to change boots. I can demo an upper level turn but by the end of a 2 hour lesson my calves are killing me because I've spent the whole time holding my toes against the top of my boots so I can keep a high level of ankle flex and get some semblance of driving the tips while still skiing off my heels.
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