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post #31 of 53
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Originally Posted by MSUBozangelas View Post
I respect Tanner for his amazing skiing abilities, but whenever he gets near a camera he gets soo obnoxious. Granted it does come down to free marketing air time and everyone does that, he just pushes it past an annoying level.
How was he doing free marketing? Did he mention Armada? No. Did he say, I'm T-Hall I'm the shit? No.

He may have been acting like a bit of a tool, but he was congratulating the kid that won (Xavier Bertoni) and did seemed stoked for him. Bertoni killed it out there plain and simple, made Tanner and Dumont look like amateurs, if Tanner was that despicable of a human being, I doubt he'd be that cool about being beat that bad.

ESPN coverage IMHO really sucks (especially this year), so I didn't see everyone's run, but after XB's first run I thought he would win it. Good for him, lets focus on that. I think I'm fairly up on skiing and I have barely heard of him, we'll see a lot of him in the future. As Tanner put it, "you got so many more years of this".

Take on Top 3:

Bertoni: Great showing, really wanted it and got it, good job. Keep killing it and being super modest at the podium, refreshing change.
Tanner: Decent, but not great showing, maybe time to start moving on. I bet he even realizes this.
DuMont: Didn't seem with it at all, but when one of your good buddies was just in an almost life ending accident, how would you perform? Maybe next year

Where was Olson??
post #32 of 53
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These kids do some unbelievable things, it's just very foreign to me and even though they have skis on I have a tough time relating to it to be honest. So, if they had an even where they judged who could make the best carved turn I'd probably watch that instead, but I'm pretty sure you'd have a tough time filling a phone booth with others that feel the same way.
Let me guess, you are either an instructor??

Sure you can't relate, I can't completely relate either, but I mean come on look at the athleticism, skill, hard work and pure balls this takes. I can't relate to what it's like to do a cross course on a sit ski at all, but thats the event I'm most interested this year, because it's just super bad ass and there are some great stories in that.

Talent is talent, hard work is hard work, we can all relate on some level.

I agree the carving comp would be pretty boring for most, but I still think I'd watch, even just to critique technique. It would be fun to compare to myself. Plus there would probably be a great selection of fart bags.
post #33 of 53
Tanner's behavior at the Powder Mage Awards tonight was pretty lame too. He was on the stage for almost every award even though I don't think he won any, just to say how much he loves whoever won and blah blah blah, constantly grabbing at the mic. Total glory hog.
post #34 of 53
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I agree the carving comp would be pretty boring for most, but I still think I'd watch, even just to critique technique. It would be fun to compare to myself. Plus there would probably be a great selection of fart bags.
Why not add bumps to X-Games? Wouldn't go over for snowboarders, but who cares..
post #35 of 53
Bump skiing is not radical enough. The whole idea behind the X-Games is being radical and outside the mainstream. Regarding T Hall, they want people like Tanner Hall to behave like Charles Manson on crack because that is part of the image.

IMO, the Winter X-Games are reaching their lifespan. Ratings for the last 2 have been way down and ESPN would probably dump them if not for the contract. IMO, the X-Games belong on MTV rather than ESPN anyways.

They need new material. Get rid of the snowmobile events and bring back shovel racing or something. The Snowmobile trick event last night was kind of silly. All the hype and nobody completed the tricks and two chickened out.
post #36 of 53
X-Games = not much X-citement.
post #37 of 53
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Tanner's behavior at the Powder Mage Awards tonight was pretty lame too. He was on the stage for almost every award even though I don't think he won any, just to say how much he loves whoever won and blah blah blah, constantly grabbing at the mic. Total glory hog.
I had heard that too. Lame. I'm starting to regret giving him any credit.

I saw something on ESPN where they had DuMont critiquing everyone's runs and sort of explaining the competition from that night. He actually did a fairly decent job, but I started to wonder why he got picked and then it made sense.

Gold medal, Xavier Bertoni: Speaks French, limited English
Silver Medal, Tanner Hall: Has a tendency to act like a jackass
Bronze Medal, SImon Dumont: Speaks English, can be modest and well mannered when he wants to be. Nothing like being the default winner.
post #38 of 53
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Bump skiing is not radical enough. The whole idea behind the X-Games is being radical and outside the mainstream. Regarding T Hall, they want people like Tanner Hall to behave like Charles Manson on crack because that is part of the image.
That mindset is what is lame about the games, don't try to over market it, let it be what it is, great athletes doing great things, not some freakshow.

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IMO, the X-Games belong on MTV rather than ESPN anyways.
How would that be good for the sport? Having MTV involved with any winter sport related is enough to make me want to move to Florida and give up my favorite past time. Seriously. Eff MTV, worst network ever. Lifetime is more "extreme" (hate that word) than MTV

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They need new material. Get rid of the snowmobile events and bring back shovel racing or something. The Snowmobile trick event last night was kind of silly. All the hype and nobody completed the tricks and two chickened out.
I do find the snowmobile stuff a bit boring, but I don't partake in that sport. I'm thinking it must draw in some viewers or it wouldn't be hyped as much as it is, lots of slednecks out there.

Shovel racing? Want it to be more of a freak show and less of an athletic event?

I say they need less events and more coverage, I've still only seen clips of Sara Burke's gold pipe fun, where is the rest of the women's stuff? Why didn't they show all of Men's ski superpipe? Too many events, not enough time.

I want to see more promotion of the sitski stuff too, that is bad freakin ass and part time Bear is in it this year, gotta cheer him on.

If anything ESPN should be more serious about the X-games as a legitimate sporting event, not some freakshow.
post #39 of 53
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That mindset is what is lame about the games, don't try to over market it, let it be what it is, great athletes doing great things, not some freakshow.


If anything ESPN should be more serious about the X-games as a legitimate sporting event, not some freakshow.
The same participants are showcased year after year, the commentrary is terrible, the coverage is hit or miss, and many of the events are downright boring. IMO, of course.

The X-Games were designed to appeal to a cerain target audience. Both the Summer and Winter X-Games are not marketed and presented as serious athletic events, but rather a collection of events(often oddball ones) that fall well outside the mainstream of public interest. In a sense, it is a freakshow.

Anyways, the novelty of the event has worn off. As I said earlier, ESPN probably would dump the program if not for the contract. Ratings have been way down the past two years. I don't even think MTV would want it.

I give it another couple years before the networks pull the plug.
post #40 of 53
I still think snowboards in bumps would be pretty extreme
post #41 of 53
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THEGNAR!!!!! where you been?

I'll be in your neck of the woods in a week. Where you gonna be?

Skiing A-Basin or WP... Shoot me a pm of your schedule. I'll see if I can make a day.
post #42 of 53
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Skiing A-Basin or WP... Shoot me a pm of your schedule. I'll see if I can make a day.
We're still hammering out some details but I'll let you know.
Rumour has it, we'll be hitting WP because bumpfreaq will be there.http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...55#post1047155
post #43 of 53
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......but I mean come on look at the athleticism, skill, hard work and pure balls this takes.......Talent is talent, hard work is hard work, we can all relate on some level.
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Hard work??? surely you're kidding. like hangn at the park all day every day. That would be like a racer who just skied all the time. well, not a great analogy, but it compares the two.

I had to crack up when the announcer said that Shaun must be working out cause he was able to press out of a deep crouch in the pipe compression. The unintentional inference, far as I can tell, is that most of them don't, don't weight train, don't train hard and effectively, don't have advanced training methods that focus on technique. Compared to racers: shit.

One of the guys also races WC, and I thought, don't risk your body doing this crap, but of course, he made it look easy.

OTH, they do have some huge stones, and that is fun to watch.
post #44 of 53
Why is it that so many of the "race fans" like davluri seem so quick to attack the very people who are taking our sport into the future. The simple unarguable fact is that Tanner Hall is a superb skier. Likewise some of the other people mentioned recently. I'd like to see you keep up with any of them - anywhere.

As for the blind adoration of the WC scene, I just keep scratching my head. It is the un-skiing. It centers on equipment and technique that is laser-focused on conditions and goals that have almost nothing in common with typical recreational skiing. While those people are absolutely great athletes, what they do has relatively little relation to where recreational skiing is going. At least in my world.

Everyone has their foibles. But to Tanner Hall and the rest of the folks defining the future of skiing.
post #45 of 53
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FKNA am I the only "skiing fan" anymore? The only that isn't a "park and pipe fan" or a "racing fan" or a "mogul fan"?

I mean WTF most of us ski a bit of everything while out there (or should), but should appreciate even more than what we ski. I can't ski moguls to save my life, but I still like to watch and appreciate what they do. Haven't raced in years, but love to watch it. Knees are too shot to do any park anymore, but still love to watch it. Would die on the terrain at most big mountain comps, but have the highest admiration for that.

I think the problem goes beyond what we watch, but also how we ski. Whatever happened to just being a skier and not segmenting everything??

PS those park guys do work their ass off. Practicing every day in the park (sore bodies), water ramps, foam pits and yes even working out. Ever seen Simon Dumont in street clothes?? He's pretty damn jacked. Jon Olson is another one that trains tirelessly (hes the one trying to build FIS points right now).
post #46 of 53
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post
Why is it that so many of the "race fans" like davluri seem so quick to attack the very people who are taking our sport into the future. The simple unarguable fact is that Tanner Hall is a superb skier. Likewise some of the other people mentioned recently. I'd like to see you keep up with any of them - anywhere.

As for the blind adoration of the WC scene, I just keep scratching my head. It is the un-skiing. It centers on equipment and technique that is laser-focused on conditions and goals that have almost nothing in common with typical recreational skiing. While those people are absolutely great athletes, what they do has relatively little relation to where recreational skiing is going. At least in my world.

Everyone has their foibles. But to Tanner Hall and the rest of the folks defining the future of skiing.
For most, it's just a generaional thing and has more to do with the personality of the partcipants rather than what they prefer to do on the slopes.

The in-your-face 'steeze' is what turns some off. As far as them advancing the sport, thats true, but they are also influencing young riders, especially youth, in other ways -- they behave like they do and they bring this 'tude' with them to the slopes. This often translaes to foul language, aggressive behavior, and general anti-social antics around others who want no part of it.

Freeestyle and Pipe looks like fun. I know many find racing boring and its just not their thing; however, racers don't drop the F bomb in every other sentence while riding the lift and don't promote the punk-ass deviant behavior that ruins the experience for others. At least not that I have seen.

I know this is a generalization and certainly not all park and pipe riders behave like this. However, I think there is an implicit message in the culture that if you behave like a loud-mouthed, profane, hyperactive out-of-control monkey on drugs while around others, you will get respect.

If you don't kow what I am talking about, just visit the TGR forum.
post #47 of 53
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I say they need less events and more coverage, I've still only seen clips of Sara Burke's gold pipe fun, where is the rest of the women's stuff?

No offense to the lady boarders around here but I absolutely loathe the fact that they show more than one women's snowboard event. I can only watch the girls do so many 180s and 360s. Even the few chicks that can do a 540 or (gasp!) a 720 look like crap while doing it. Even my fiancee doesn't understand why the guys keep progressing and the girls are stuck doing 540s all day. It's getting old.

On the other hand, women's skier and boarder x are awesome to watch. Even though they aren't as fast as the guys they almost race harder than them.

As far as the sleds...those things are badass. There's something wrong with your testosterone level if you don't enjoy watching a dude throw around a 500lb sled for 10 laps at a time.
post #48 of 53
Good point TG, I just put 300 miles on my sled this weekend, Arctic Cat F7, and anyone who snowmobiles very much can realize the talent these guys have to be able to throw around the tricks they do on these machines. Balls of steel I think. I enjoy watching the snowmobile stuff way more than the snowboard crap and the grunge that goes with it.

I love what these young skiers have brought to our sport. i so enjoyed traveling around with my boys as they competed in slopestyle and pipe events. These are some awesome atheletes even though they don't look like it or act as roll models for our youth.

i honestly believe the rise of the twinntip craze and the tricks these kids do,, have saved the ski industry as a whole. It has created many new ski manufacturers with mega brands and types of skis in all styles.

I still don't like Tanner Hall, but I do respect his abilities and his innovation. (please pull your pants up though)
post #49 of 53
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For most, it's just a generaional thing and has more to do with the personality of the partcipants rather than what they prefer to do on the slopes.

The in-your-face 'steeze' is what turns some off. As far as them advancing the sport, thats true, but they are also influencing young riders, especially youth, in other ways -- they behave like they do and they bring this 'tude' with them to the slopes. This often translaes to foul language, aggressive behavior, and general anti-social antics around others who want no part of it.

Freeestyle and Pipe looks like fun. I know many find racing boring and its just not their thing; however, racers don't drop the F bomb in every other sentence while riding the lift and don't promote the punk-ass deviant behavior that ruins the experience for others. At least not that I have seen.

I know this is a generalization and certainly not all park and pipe riders behave like this. However, I think there is an implicit message in the culture that if you behave like a loud-mouthed, profane, hyperactive out-of-control monkey on drugs while around others, you will get respect.

If you don't kow what I am talking about, just visit the TGR forum.

You're favorite racer or best racer is a drunk, and admits it. When you are bashing freestyle skiers for the way they act just look at the poster child of racing, bode. I don't race and have no desire too, but I find it funny when these steez kids at a resort are looked down upon by these "higher class" of racers. For god sake racers dress in spandex and park skiers wear tall tees, just about the same ridiculous level imo. Think what you want but don't be saying that ALL racers are these well groomed and mannered athletes.

Oh and btw, TGR forums hate newschoolers, a very park oriented website.

What turns me off about racing is the "I am higher class, I am better than you" atitude. I didn't notice it that much until this weekend at beaver creek where my buddy made the comment "All these racers are walking around like they are better than everyone". Watch from both sides and you will see.

ps. I ride 191 scott p4's which is neither a park ski or race ski, just to give you a hint on what type of skier I am.
post #50 of 53
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Originally Posted by Lars View Post
Good point TG, I just put 300 miles on my sled this weekend, Arctic Cat F7, and anyone who snowmobiles very much can realize the talent these guys have to be able to throw around the tricks they do on these machines. Balls of steel I think. I enjoy watching the snowmobile stuff way more than the snowboard crap and the grunge that goes with it.

I love what these young skiers have brought to our sport. i so enjoyed traveling around with my boys as they competed in slopestyle and pipe events. These are some awesome atheletes even though they don't look like it or act as roll models for our youth.

i honestly believe the rise of the twinntip craze and the tricks these kids do,, have saved the ski industry as a whole. It has created many new ski manufacturers with mega brands and types of skis in all styles.

I still don't like Tanner Hall, but I do respect his abilities and his innovation. (please pull your pants up though)
I agree with everything you say. Just an fyi as far as park skiers go tanners pants are not big enough. I suggest you ride through keystones park one day and see the ridiculous outfits these kids have on. Trust me you will have a good laugh.
post #51 of 53
It's ON! Racers VS Freedoggers! Things never change. FWIW I was a freedogger but liked running gates too from time to time, especially when it was the race teams' gates
The Racers at my old dump acted like they owned the place. They used to get all up in arms when we'd use the rope tow on their training hill.





However, there's jerks everywhere doing everything. It's all relative.
post #52 of 53
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You're favorite racer or best racer is a drunk, and admits it. When you are bashing freestyle skiers for the way they act just look at the poster child of racing, bode. I don't race and have no desire too, but I find it funny when these steez kids at a resort are looked down upon by these "higher class" of racers. For god sake racers dress in spandex and park skiers wear tall tees, just about the same ridiculous level imo. Think what you want but don't be saying that ALL racers are these well groomed and mannered athletes.

Oh and btw, TGR forums hate newschoolers, a very park oriented website.

What turns me off about racing is the "I am higher class, I am better than you" atitude. I didn't notice it that much until this weekend at beaver creek where my buddy made the comment "All these racers are walking around like they are better than everyone". Watch from both sides and you will see.

ps. I ride 191 scott p4's which is neither a park ski or race ski, just to give you a hint on what type of skier I am.
Like I said, its about the personality, not what one chooses to do on the slopes or off. It's the obnoxious, wannabe poser punk mentality that turns most people off with some members in the park crowd.

Anyways, Bodie isn't dropping the F bomb in front of little kids on the lifts and he lets his skis do the talking, not his mouth.

Also, racers don't flash their whole butt crack to the entire hill while riding the lift.
post #53 of 53
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Like I said, its about the personality, not what one chooses to do on the slopes or off. It's the obnoxious, wannabe poser punk mentality that turns most people off with some members in the park crowd.

Anyways, Bodie isn't dropping the F bomb in front of little kids on the lifts and he lets his skis do the talking, not his mouth.

Also, racers don't flash their whole butt crack to the entire hill while riding the lift.
Bodie isn't dropping the f bomb because he is to busy drinking in the bar. Oh and Actions speak louder than words, so bodie drinking and bragging about it is worse than some fowl mouthed park rat. But who cares this is going to go on the till the end of time, not to mention racers don't flash their butt cracks because they are to busy wearing those ridiculous outfits they call one pieces...
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