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post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
Right now I'm skiing on some Rossi Z9's. They are fun skis, I can jump quickly into some aggressive short turns, or hold a decent gs line, and they're ok in the bumps but they're letting me down in the powder and they're not that stable at speeds. My friend has some Volkl Mantras that he loves and the reviews I see make them very interesting to me. I'm just wondering what are similar to Mantras? Armada ARV's maybe? Thanks.
post #2 of 25
Watea 94s have almost identical dimensions to the Mantras, but are a bit softer and more forgiving, better in powder and bumps, but not as good for hardpack carving and crud.
post #3 of 25
The ARV is not close. The aforementioned Watea 94 is a good call and the Nordica Enforcer is in the same ballpark for shape but has a more balanced flex than the Mantra. For something with similar grip, better stability and better soft snow performance, consider the Blizzard Argos.

SJ
post #4 of 25
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mudfoot View Post
Watea 94s have almost identical dimensions to the Mantras, but are a bit softer and more forgiving, better in powder and bumps, but not as good for hardpack carving and crud.
How stable are they at speed though??
post #5 of 25
I have the Watea 94 and have not felt the speed limit yet, and I have pushed it to the point of possibly having to wear diapers. These skis haul ass and they are very stable, but light feeling at the same time. Very heavy crud may cause bit more deflection than say a heavier metal ski, but really overall - I have no complaints about anything except ice and harder bumps. They float me fairly well in thigh/waist deep powder at 5' 11" 195 lbs. and there are more dedicated skis for that really, but I'm very happy with the versatility of the Watea 94 186cm. Good luck
post #6 of 25
i've briefly owned 191 volkl mantras and demoed LAST year's 186 dynastar legend pro and THIS year's 184 legend pro. i would say that the mantra is the most firm-snow oriented and has surprising edgehold. the 186 lp would be a decent step up in dampness, burliness, crud-busting, and high-speed stability with a little decrease in on-piste performance. the 184 lp is considerably softer than last year's 186 lp, and would give up hard-snow performance to the mantra and crud-busting ability to the 186 lp, but would probably have a sliiight edge over the other two skis in soft snow performance. i really don't think you could go wrong with any of these three skis.

if i had to rank these skis in the several criteria i listed above, i would ESTIMATE (i really don't have enough time on each ski to say for SURE)...

in order of chargitude: 186 lp > 191 mantra > 184 lp
in order of edge-hold: 191 mantra > 186 lp > 184 lp
in order of soft snow performance: 184 lp > 186 lp ~ 191 mantra
post #7 of 25
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Originally Posted by Mutorq View Post
How stable are they at speed though??
The Watea 94s can handle speed, but they do not have the rock solid bulldozer feel of the Mantras. They have a unique (at least in my experience) light feeling to the point of it being disconcerting while going exactly where you point them. It is hard to describe, but I love mine in almost any condition.
post #8 of 25
Why don't you just get some Mantras?
post #9 of 25
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Originally Posted by Takecontrol618 View Post
Why don't you just get some Mantras?
I live in Colorado so hardpack/ice performance isn't as much a selling point for me. So, if something other than the Mantra is still stable at speeds but even better in bumps and soft snow and powey then I would probably go that direction.

I've never had a pair of twin-tip or freeride skis so can you all help with find the right length. I'm 5'8", 180lbs, solid advanced/early expert skier..I want to be able to handle speed but don't want to sacrafice bumps/slalom abilities.

I realize my Z9's do a lot more of the work for me than twins will most likely..what else can I expect in twin-tip performance??
post #10 of 25
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Originally Posted by Mutorq View Post
I live in Colorado so hardpack/ice performance isn't as much a selling point for me. So, if something other than the Mantra is still stable at speeds but even better in bumps and soft snow and powey then I would probably go that direction.

I've never had a pair of twin-tip or freeride skis so can you all help with find the right length. I'm 5'8", 180lbs, solid advanced/early expert skier..I want to be able to handle speed but don't want to sacrafice bumps/slalom abilities.

I realize my Z9's do a lot more of the work for me than twins will most likely..what else can I expect in twin-tip performance??
For the Fischer Watea 94's - I would go 178cm for your size. You'll love them. I think I saw some selling on the net for around $500, but if you search or wait you may pick some up closer to $300. 08s are the same as this years 09s just different graphics -probably get a better buy on the 08s if you can find any
post #11 of 25
Here you go: http://cgi.ebay.com/Fischer-Watea-94...QQcmdZViewItem



Twin tip question I can't really comment, because I don't go there. I'm sure it might provide some decent possibilities, but not like a true twin tip would.
post #12 of 25
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Originally Posted by Mutorq View Post
..what else can I expect in twin-tip performance??
None of the skis under discussion here are twin tips.

SJ
post #13 of 25
Y I don't get it. The ski most like a Mantra is a Mantra. Get a pair if you want em.

Unless this is some sort of "I don't like Volkls" thing
post #14 of 25
4FRNT MSP is a very nice mid-90's twin that's stable, slaughters crud and likes speed, unlike most. Many here really like the Big Troubles, same general width, apparently very good all over the mountain, lower speed limit than the MSP's but quicker. I've heard some good things about the Scott Crusade for soft snow out west, said to be both easy and quick with the dual radius sidecut, but stable. Apparently not an ice ski. All of these will be better in soft snow and bumps than the Mantra, none will be as good on hardpack or stiff crud, MSP close to a toss in softer crud, rest a click less.
post #15 of 25
Having the skied the Mantras and Watea 94s side by side (I've got Wateas, my son Mantras, and we're the same shell size), these two skis are very different. Both are good skis, but the Mantras are supertankers by comparison, while the Wateas feel light and snappy. What works best really depends on your personal preference, so demo if you can.
post #16 of 25
The Wateas have a carbon fiber I beam carved into the wood core which is why you get a light ski with great torsional rigidity. Fischer has been playing around with carbon fiber in fatter skis since the Big Stix from a few years ago. You can get a very light ski that rails on groomers.
post #17 of 25
slightly narrower, but I like IM88s better than the Mantra (I am not in love with this ski). Better edgehold and stablity still with decent float.

In twins, I would check out the Prophet 100 and 90. Much more playful and poppy than the Mantra without giving up a whole lot at speed. Very versatile.
post #18 of 25
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the input guys..I'm really thinking the 94's are what I want.

What about bindings(which I know nothing about)? The only binding considerations I know are the weight of the binding, using riser plates or whatever, and being able to offset from dead center--and I really don't know the details there either. What do I need to know here?
post #19 of 25
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Originally Posted by lukc View Post
i've briefly owned 191 volkl mantras and demoed LAST year's 186 dynastar legend pro and THIS year's 184 legend pro. i would say that the mantra is the most firm-snow oriented and has surprising edgehold. the 186 lp would be a decent step up in dampness, burliness, crud-busting, and high-speed stability with a little decrease in on-piste performance. the 184 lp is considerably softer than last year's 186 lp, and would give up hard-snow performance to the mantra and crud-busting ability to the 186 lp, but would probably have a sliiight edge over the other two skis in soft snow performance. i really don't think you could go wrong with any of these three skis.

if i had to rank these skis in the several criteria i listed above, i would ESTIMATE (i really don't have enough time on each ski to say for SURE)...

in order of chargitude: 186 lp > 191 mantra > 184 lp
in order of edge-hold: 191 mantra > 186 lp > 184 lp
in order of soft snow performance: 184 lp > 186 lp ~ 191 mantra
IMO the problem with comparing only these factors is that the LP has a distinct side-cut, quite straight really. And that, depending on the way one skis it, will make a huge difference in many conditions, making it ski totally differently than the Mantra, (hich has developed more side cut through the last couple years)

I can see that the same skier would enjoy both models, different though they may be. A skier adapts to the ski and learns to get the most out of it.
post #20 of 25
Jesters or Dukes or STH 14 or 16,s Salomon. The nice things about Dukes is you can go backcountry with out the chair lift if you want to find some stashes any were. If the W94 is light like every one says it may make a good ski for these bindings making them even more versitile. They ski super nice on any ski! They have a higher than normal step like haveing risers on so you get better leverage laying them over I feel. Mojo bindings are great also but Marker or Salomon would be my choices only.
post #21 of 25
I'm using Look PX 14 on my W94s. Good solid front side binding found at good price. At your size you may be fine with PX12, but I'm no expert. I'm sure Sierra Jim would set you up just right!

You may look into the Fischer bindings which I think are rebadged Tyrolias. Marker has good stuff now as reported. Duke, Jester, etc.
post #22 of 25
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Originally Posted by Mutorq View Post
Right now I'm skiing on some Rossi Z9's. They are fun skis, I can jump quickly into some aggressive short turns, or hold a decent gs line, and they're ok in the bumps but they're letting me down in the powder and they're not that stable at speeds. My friend has some Volkl Mantras that he loves and the reviews I see make them very interesting to me. I'm just wondering what are similar to Mantras? Armada ARV's maybe? Thanks.
The Mantra is a skiers' ski, unlike some. It likes to be skied hard and rewards good skiing. Some skis to look into:

Nordica Enforcer: very stable, powerful, lighter feel than the Mantra, great carver
Dynastar Mythic Rider: smooth, damp, stable, all-around great ski
Dynastar LP: more of a soft snow ski, good float and stable, not great on hardpack
Fischer Watea 94: a little lighter, snappier, more maneuverable, similar performance to the Mantra
Elan 888: a little lighter underfoot, great edgehold, very stable in any snow condition
Head iM88: little more damp than the Mantra, extremely stable and powerful
Blizzard Argos: haven't skied it, but supposedly is bigger and lazier, but more stable.
K2 Outlaw: not as powerful nor stable as the Mantra. That soft powder tip is lousy at speed in rough snow.
post #23 of 25

Great Scott

Scott Mission or it's twin tip version, the Punisher, might also be worth a look. They are very popular over in Europe in a similar role. The 183 is 130/90/116 R 15.9, so a little turnier than the Watea 94's. I really like Scott Skis so I just picked up a pair of the Punishers but have yet to get them mounted. There is a review elsewhere on the site from someone from Europe and also over on TGR.
post #24 of 25
Thread Starter 
Well I did it, I bought the 178 watea 94 today and went with Dukes. Cost me $1054 out the door ($600 for the skis and $375 for the bindings), taxed and mounted. I might have saved $50 online but I was paying for instant gratification. I can't wait to try these...I might drive up to Steamboat tonight!

Thanks again
post #25 of 25
Might as well get them and enjoy the rest of the season. I justified it that way last year instead of spending hundreds, hassles, and time on demoing. You'll be very pleased for many years with this set-up. Congrats.
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