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post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
I have a hard time with my in air rotation. Either i don't spin fast enough or when i do spin fast, the hangtime is minimal, so i usually end up crashing! How do i balance these two factors? Is there any secret to a happy medium? Also when i land, i either end up spinning out then bailing, or as soon as i land, i bail. What is wrong here? I wish i could provide more info, but this was last season and i want to look good for this upcoming season. Is there a site that describes how this is done? Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

CWD
post #2 of 22
one of the keys to spinning is looking over the shoulder in the direction you want to rotate, just try it in your street shoes, and you'll see what I mean. As for hangtime, that's something that takes some development. Do you have trouble getting big air off a diving board? It's simply a matter of, for lack of a technical term, I'll make one up: mass loading, getting your muscles ready for an explosive output of force propelling your body through the air like a flying squirrel on PCP. When I do this, my legs just finish fully extending the moment I am leaving the ramp

Landing, on the other hand, is a totally different subject, and one I need to work on myself, so I won't pretend to have a clue on that. I can land, but I don't look pretty while I'm doing it

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 26, 2001 05:29 PM: Message edited 1 time, by grue ]</font>
post #3 of 22
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by clearwaterdeath:
I have a hard time with my in air rotation. Either i don't spin fast enough or when i do spin fast, the hangtime is minimal, so i usually end up crashing! How do i balance these two factors? Is there any secret to a happy medium? Also when i land, i either end up spinning out then bailing, or as soon as i land, i bail. What is wrong here? I wish i could provide more info, but this was last season and i want to look good for this upcoming season. Is there a site that describes how this is done? Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

CWD
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First let me say that Grue is right the head directs the body. In gymnasitics they teach Head to lead. Get on a tramp and try it.

So the head lead should help your rotation speed and timing.

You need about three seconds air time as a beginer, i would speculate. ( I have not met you so I do not know how big you are or how agile) So lets just say get a lip, bump or platform, that will give you three seconds from lift of to landing. This is accomplished through pitch of the outrun as much as lift on the ramp. I like the outrun to be steep as the out is better for me that way. Also the landing is not FLAT which hurts, take a few straight runs and get the timing of your take off and landing before you attempt any trick stuff. (count up, one, two, three)

THe over rotation is a factor of the head lead that we spoke of. Look down range to your target not your boots when you come around. Also get centered, sounds like you are backdooring these on the landing. (so you are back) Hands and eyes down hill.

Have fun!
post #4 of 22
I'll save you a lot of pain by first saying this... If ya don't got the landings, work on them first!!!! Throw some big airs that don't require spins and get used to hang time, because without it, your spins will look shabby and hurried. When they look shabby and hurried, there's a good chance you won't stick the landing anyway.

Anyway, big forward airs to start. Get comfortable putting your hands on your skis and throwing maneuvers that make you leave the "normal" upright aerial position. Iron crosses, easy mutes, twisters, etc. The better you are at these, the better you'll be at hunting and sticking your landings. (By "hunting" I mean "Looking for")

Once you have a handle on getting back on the ground and not washing out, you can try spins. First thing's first! It's not the speed at which you rotate that counts, It's the air you have under you. Plenty of air = plenty of time. It's the QUALITY and BALANCE of the rotation that matters. If you leave the ground out of balance, guess what? You're taco meat. If you try to spin before you leave the ground? Taco meat. Go off with confidence and You'll have time to spin. Trying to "whip" the upper body faster will only cause bleeding and pain.

the Spin. The guys are right, the head is the key. Look all the way around until you see your landing. This is called hunting, or "gagging for it". There is one other thing though, the Center of Mass. If you turn your head on top of a static CM, you'll just strain that little muscle in your neck that controls the ability to nod "yes". Think of it this way:

As you leave the hit, imagine a string that reaches from your chin to your belly button. As yor head turns, you have to move the center portion of your body, not the shoulders, along with it, or the string breaks. Try it without skis on, you'll see. Jump in the air and just turn your head... nothing right? Now jump and rotate EVERYTHING along with your head. Hopefully you see what I mean because it's the same thing on skis.

Most of the time when people have trouble with 3's it's because they fear landing sideways. So do I. That's why I waited for a nice fluffy day to learn. Once you get one or two under your belt, you're good to go even on the stiff days. Good luck and don't jack yourself up!

Spag [img]smile.gif[/img]

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 26, 2001 08:42 PM: Message edited 1 time, by Notorious Spag ]</font>
post #5 of 22
nothing like a good 270.. :
post #6 of 22
If you are scared that you are going to fall than you will! Have some confidence get enough air so you don't have to rush, spot your landing, and stomp it!
I had the problem of spinning out when I was learning to spin, and found that I was spinning so hard or fast that I would continue to rotate after landing. Once you spot the landing look at it till you are there! If you continue to keep your head in the spin your body will follow. Once you are not scared it gets eaiser!
post #7 of 22
WEEEEEEEEEE!
post #8 of 22
anybody do a backflip?
I can do one easily off the edge of the pool and land feet first into the water. Never had the guts to try it on skis. We usually have hard snow here in the midwest. I am looking forward to when they start blowing it cause on the first few days it's real soft, good landings.
Dig a kicker out of one of those piles under the guns. Last year some dude was doing inverts in the soft stuff.
Huck that carcass!
post #9 of 22
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zeek:
anybody do a backflip?
I can do one easily off the edge of the pool and land feet first into the water. Never had the guts to try it on skis. We usually have hard snow here in the midwest. I am looking forward to when they start blowing it cause on the first few days it's real soft, good landings.
Dig a kicker out of one of those piles under the guns. Last year some dude was doing inverts in the soft stuff.
Huck that carcass!
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I assume I can do a backflip, and I'll be trying this year. I can do a gainer, straight backflip, frontflip, and a heck of a lot more off a diving board, so....
post #10 of 22
As many of the people have said, jumping has a lot to do with confidence. If you don't think that you can do it you will have a lot of trouble sticking a landing. Practice si the best thing. Start small and get used to sticking your landings clean then slowly go bigger and bigger. When you feel you can land well start your tricks. Stary with 180's and small kickers and then go up from there. When doing 3's the takeoff is key. Preload your body by twisting your body slightly before your take off. When you hit the lip get a good pop and rotate your head, sholders, and hips. This will get you a good rotation. One thing that is a must is to kee your head looking in the direction of the turn. If you pull your head back you will stop spinning. As you finish your spin spotting your landing is a must. Once you spot your landing your skis will usually follow.

As for backflips commitment is everything. Just about everyone I have seen has over rotated on their first few trys because under rotation really hurts (I know). Find a jump with a steep lip and on your takeoff pull your head strait back and this will iniatate your flip. If you are doing smaller airs bring your knees up to your chest and it will help you rotate faster. Again spot your landing. If you see that you are over rotating extend your legs and this will slow your rotation. If you are not going to make it try to make the landing as soft as possible as you will probably blow up. I would reccomend trying in in a pool then in soft snow.
post #11 of 22
www.skiingmotion.com

A picture (or should I say a videoclip...) tells more than a thousand words...

Study those clips and visualize!
As for big spins (360's), all I can say is: Do everything almost slow-motion - no winding up, no big pop, just hit the lip with enough speed (this is important) and your feet comfortably apart, turn slightly with your shoulders (not with your arms!), tuck, and keep looking for landing over your shoulder.

And hey: Wait for a soft day!... there's no reason to wreck yourself into the icy landings in the beginning of the season (been there done that... too many times )
post #12 of 22
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jiehkevarri:

And hey: Wait for a soft day!... there's no reason to wreck yourself into the icy landings in the beginning of the season (been there done that... too many times )
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Absolutely right on that one. Tahoe just got 16" of fresh pow last night, I'm hoping there'll be some there for me tomorrow and sunday!
post #13 of 22
Man I wish I had read this thread before this weekend... I have a bruise the size of a grapefruit on my hip from so many botched 3's. Did finally nail one (on tele gear!) - and figured out, it is all about the upper body and head.
post #14 of 22
The skiingmotion.com site is pretty cool - but there are very few videos of the "easy" jobs (i.e. straight 360's and 540's, an iron cross, etc..) - does anyone know of a site with video of this?
post #15 of 22
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dr.GO:
You need about three seconds air time as a beginer, i would speculate. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Three seconds??? Isn't that how long it takes to free fall 99 feet?
post #16 of 22
Hmmm...
gravity being 32.2 ft/sec^2...
neglecting wind resistance...

I'd guesstimate one could fall 144.9 feet in three seconds.

PhysicsMan?
...PhysicsMan?
a confirmation?
I admit it, I am a nerd.
post #17 of 22
Its confirmed, you are indeed on the way to nerd nirvana, grasshopper. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Tom / PM
post #18 of 22
You might also be interested to learn that if you launch straight out with zero vertical velocity, after falling the 145 feet, your vertical velocity will be around 100 feet/sec. Now, it might be a bit less than this because of air resistance, but considering 88 ft/sec is 60 mph, that's a lot faster than I ever want to be going vertically.

Tom / PM
post #19 of 22
Thread Starter 
This is all good info, and that skiing motion site was really good. I just wish there was some SNOW where I LIVED..... :
post #20 of 22

ANy other sites other than skiing motion with good videos of basic jumps?

post #21 of 22

http://www.youtube.com/

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ANy other sites other than skiing motion with good videos of basic jumps?

post #22 of 22

So tired of smart ass commets like your slider, why waste your time even posting?

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