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Foot numbness question...

post #1 of 7
Thread Starter 
My girlfriend is in new boots this season(Salomon Instinct CS) after the first upgrade in years, and she's having significant issues with numbness in her feet(not related to being cold).

She's got bad circulation in her feet, and after 4 days in the boots, and an initial fitting, is getting custom footbeds the next time out. I'm wondering if, aside from also having heaters installed to deal with her perpetually cold feet, it's possible something like compression socks might help(she is not diabetic, and does not have swelling in her feet).

The numbness happens even when her feet aren't cold, so aside from unbuckling at the bottom, and swinging her legs to get blood pumping, any thoughts on a solution?
post #2 of 7
is the numbness better or worse with...

thinner or thicker socks?

toe buckles tighter, looser, or 100% off

any footbed at all?

heaters will help to warm a foot, but not get any more circulation back into it. will also not help with numbness, just cold toes.

compression socks will not help I think, just reduce the circulation even more (but thinner ski socks might help)

for overall info and to check some stuff, please read, check that you are not making any of the 10 mistakes, and answer the 10 questions


The answer to "WTF is wrong with my boots?"
So your boots hurt and you don’t know what to do?

First thing, find a good boot fitter in YOUR area. Trying to fit boots, problem solving over the phone, or online is VERY hard to do. This is not like making a cake by a following a recipe (and I can’t do that either) but more like being told how to paint (as told by Stevie Wonder)

So a few questions that you can answer that will help this out.

1) What is the shell fit like for length? Remove the liner, put your foot in the shell only, have your toes lightly touching the front of the boot and see how much room is behind your heel and the boots shell. Use a pen as a spacer and measure this for thickness. You want 5-15mm (3/16 to 5/8 inch) of room. If you have more then 25mm (1") stop here

2) What is the shell fit like for width? Now center your foot front to back, (same amount of room behind the toe and heel) and is the width of your foot touching the sides of the boots shell? You want anything from lightly brushing to 2mm per side. If you have 3mm per side stop here.

3) Do you have any footbeds? Most people find an off the rack, or full custom footbed more comfortable, and helps to hold the foot in place better, Get one.

So if your boot is within all of the above parameters we can go on. If your boot is just too big it is not worth working on. Your foot will still move around; you have to over tighten the buckles, and cramp to foot and cut off circulation (cold toes). Your boots are too big, and nothing will make that much better. Don’t waste your time, and money fixing a broken leg with bandaids. You need boots that are 1-2 sizes smaller. If you really want work on what you have, a boot fitter can do some-things, but it will not get much better, and will be $50 - $150 for not much progress.

So now that your boot is within a workable size range in length, width and with a supportive footbed we can go on to getting more info.

A few basic things to check first:

1) You just have one, thin, clean ski sock in the boots
2) You just have a sock in the boot? (no thermals, jewelry, etc)
3) Your toe nails are trimmed short?
4) They are YOUR boots and not borrowed?
5) You are just skiing in your ski boots? (not walking, driving etc)?
6) You dry your liners out at night either with a dryer or remove liners?
7) The left liner, the left footbed are in the left boot and this is on the left foot?
8) You are loosening the buckles if you are not skiing (while standing, on lifts, etc)
9) You are not skiing all day in new boots? They need time to break in
10) Buckles are pointing to the outside?

So your boots are the right size, AND you are doing everything else right, but still the boots are not 100% right. These questions will help a boot fitter will have a better understanding of the problem and can start to help you:

Better Or Worse = (BOW)

1) BOW with the buckles tighter or looser?

2) BOW with thinner or thicker socks?

3) BOW with any footbeds (custom, stock, none, etc)?

4) BOW skiing, standing, or feet un-weighted (hanging off a chair lift)?

5) BOW throughout the day (and when does the pain start?)

6) BOW on the first vs the third day?

7) BOW on harder or easier terrain?

8) BOW with the power straps (Velcro straps) tighter or looser?

9) BOW if you do any particular movements, or actions?

10) Any medical, health, or weight changes since you used them last? __________________
post #3 of 7
Thread Starter 
She is using fairly thin smartwool socks - She has been unbuckling before every run, and as soon as she loosens or takes off the boots, the numbness goes away, but later in the day, after re-buckling at the top, the numbness will return halfway down the hill.

Because her feet are quite narrow, I have a feeling the footbeds will stabilize her foot without requiring her to buckle the boots quite so tightly, but wanted to see if there are any other ideas.

Her feet get cold easily, so the boot heaters are going in regardless.

Otherwise, guess we'll wait til next weekend to see what her boot fitter says...
post #4 of 7
could you be more specific about where the numbness is exactly? arch, big toe ball of foot, little toe ball of foot or little toe side behind ball of foot?
post #5 of 7
Thread Starter 

She said her pinky toe on her left foot, as well as the toe next to it. On her right foot, it was the big toe...

Thoughts? She's seeing the boot fitter again this weekend, but I'm beginning to not have much faith in this guy.
post #6 of 7
how many times have you see the fitter, if this is the first or second visit back after purchse don't loose faith yet, ski boot fiting is a two way process and if the client does not comunicate where the problme is clearly then it is very dificult for the fitter to do the right thing...some of the problem could just be the lienr bedding in, some of it could be lack for flexion at the ankle, some could equally be form shell/liner pressure on the foot but as i don't have here feet and boots in front of me it is impossible to say.

good luck
post #7 of 7
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the response...

This will be the 3rd visit this weekend - I didn't go with her the first time, and I come to find out the guy did not shell fit her in the boots. While I am certainly no professional, I was pretty pissed off to hear this, and was about to tear into the guy when he FINALLY did this the last time. Granted, she can get her money back at any time, but unless I'm missing something, that is absolutely F-ing ridiculous.

I supposed I'm feeling a little annoyed, as this is the same shop where the guys selling the skis said, without even looking at the ones she had just purchased, said that the factory tune was awesome, and that there was no need for any additional waxing/tuning...

Nothing annoys me more than when shops who service a large portion of the(unfortunately, mostly clueless) NYC/NJ/CT crowd try to take advantage, and then get nervous when you call them out on their BS.

I'm going to bite my tongue for now, but I'll be watching him like a hawk...
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