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binding forward or back: actual on-snow test

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I know this is an overworn thread, but this is real-on-snow info.

Stockli Stormrider XL 165 and Rossignol B-Squad 164.

got new boots smaller shell size and thought I should re-mount. could n't get boot center on factory line due to figure-8 boring, (which had worked perfectly) so fudged back and forward, and skied some steep off-piste firm. Both skis were nasty behind the factory mark, had to press forward to the extreme to weight the front edge and stay out of the back-seat. 1cm forward and I was centered naturally and weighting the entire ski. With these skis, stability was not an issue, (due to stiffness and geometry) and I gained sweet spot, that is, the sweet spot went from a miniscule point way forward, to riding the sweet spot anywhere on the ski without compensation or adjustment.
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I once skied some old RC4 Vacuum Slaloms I got at a yard sale. The bindings were such that my boots were only about 1/4 to 3/8 inch too far back. Conditions were very hard and icy though. I found, even at that small difference, it took quite an effort to stay forward to keep the edges dug in while carving. Skis were still stable though.
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I once skied some old RC4 Vacuum Slaloms I got at a yard sale. The bindings were such that my boots were only about 1/4 to 3/8 inch too far back. Conditions were very hard and icy though. I found, even at that small difference, it took quite an effort to stay forward to keep the edges dug in while carving. Skis were still stable though.
there's vindication of the results, right there
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My Atomic REXs and Watea 101s both have movable Atomic bindings with 3 and 4 positions repectively. Also, my M:EXs have two mounting postions, and I've owned skis with demo bindings, so I've spent some time playing around with binding position, including last weekend at Telluride in steep hard bumps. As has been noted, a small fore/aft change can have a fairly large effect on how a ski performs, especially in increasing the size of the sweet spot. With my skis I found that forward of center made them too hooky (even my fat powder boards) and I acutally prefer being a little behind center, even in the bumps.

I think it is a combined function of the skis' sidecut and flex charateristics, your body type, boots and skiing style. So the bottom line is that there is almost no way to tell your optimum postion on a particular ski without experimenting. I hate to be the cynic again, but as with boots and skis, IMO there are a huge number of people out there skiing on expensive equipment with their bindings mounted in something other than the "best" location. In the big picture does it matter that much, probably not because you naturally compensate. It is a case of ignorace being bliss.

As with all equipment, demo whenever possible, but as a backup get all the info you can. If you are flat mounting bindings your are pretty much stuck with the location. Knowledge is power, which could lead to more powerful and better skiing.
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