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Blizzard 187 Argos (08/09)

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There been a couple other reviews of the 180cm length. Sometimes different lengths of skis behave differently enough to almost be different skis (see Rossi Black/White XXX). So here is the 187cm Argos review.

Ski: 187cm Blizzard Argos, binding Marker 5.14.

Conditions/Location: Firm north facing snow a little chalky, firm moguls, corn, deep corn (>3”), slush bumps, refrozen crud, excellent groomers, and day old groomers at Alpine Meadows.

Skier: 39 yr old, expert, 5’9” 230lbs

Ski Style: Aggressive with tendency towards being hard on the edges. (ex East Coast skier) Mix of short to long turns. I like to carry a little speed in more open terrain. I do not seek out moguls, but I don’t avoid them either.

Other similar skis I own or have owned: 191 Mantra, 194 Legend Pro (05/06), 188 Stockli Scot Schmidt Pro, 190 Explosiv, Fischer Watea 101, 195 XXX, 185 XXX, 184 Mantra.

I demoed the Argos for 1.5 days from Start Haus. Thanks to SierraJim for tracking down a 187cm for me to demo and to the crew at Start Haus for getting the skis ready to demo. Skiing was midweek at Alpine during our yearly January thaw (spring skiing in Jan).

Executive Summary: Excellent ski. The Argos would be a good one ski quiver/everyday ski in Tahoe or a nice crud buster in a quiver. It would make a good replace for a Mantra and the Argos reminded me a bit of a Volkl Explosiv. In general I think Volkl fans would like this ski. Like a Volkl the Argos response to well to forward pressure and driving the front of the ski.

Edge hold: Good, for a 101mm waist ski – Excellent. I skied some firm (hard by tahoe standards) snow. Argos edges held firmly, no issue crossing between soft and firm snow. Edge engaged smoothly any time I brought the skis off the snow and set them back down on edge.

Corn: Argos really came alive on some corned up groomers. Very fun skiing. Smooth turns nice flex of the ski. The Argos is damp, which help smooth things out. It didn’t provide any pop when unloading the ski(which is ok).

Deep Corn (>3”): Argos smoothly handles the conditions allow for longer fast turns. Argos is not as smooth as my 05/06 194 raceroom LP, but a little better than the 191 Mantra and significantly better than a 192 Watea 101(gets kicked around too much). The 187cm length made it easy to make any short turns to handle changes in the snow surface. Also, the skied didn’t feel that heavy. It was pretty easy to lift the Argos out of the snow.

Crud/Refrozen Crud: The Argos did a pretty good job smoothing out some pretty rough snow. The good edge and straighter profile also helped.
Moguls: All the moguls I took the Argos into were on single diamond or double diamond terrain. So, the moguls were nice round expert moguls that were reasonably spaced. For me the 187cm length, straighter profile and good edge hold made for some relatively easy and fun skiing. Tightly spaced Kid bumps probably would not be that much fun.

Slush bumps: fun. Slush bumps are fun and the Argos was fun in them.

Firm chalky snow: Argos edge hold really paid off on any steeper firm snow. I was able to easily shorten up the turn and get the ski to bit into the snow.

Groomers: Long fast turns without much input. Solid short turns with a little work and high edge angle.

Comparing to other skis:
LP: The187 Argos is more user friendly than the 194 LP. But the 194 is smoother in rough snow. Both skis do well in similar conditions.

Mantra: I thought the 187 Argos has slight better edge hold than a 191 Mantra and significantly better edge hold than a 184 Mantra. (Yes, my 191 Mantra had significantly better edge hold than my 184 Mantra)

Watea 101 (08/09): The Argos’s stability and dampness is much better than the Watea 101. Argos’s edge hold is also a little better. Watea 101 is a lighter and the softer tip on the Watea probably would make it better at slower speed powder skiing. Also the 192 Watea has more surface area. Note: I didn’t take the Argos in any powder. Watea 101 I have skied knee deep.

Stockli 188 Scot Schmidt Pro (89mm waist): SS Pro has better edge hold, is quicker and is better at high speed. Argos is better in deep corn.

185 XXX- Argos is wider and straighter feeling. Not hooky like the XXX. Argos is just a much better ski.

190 Explosiv: Argos felt like a wider, little shorter and not quite as damp 190 Explosiv. I think the Explosiv is a little easier to swing around in old school style turns and maybe a little more stable at speed.

Summary: The Argos has gone on the short list for skis to replace my aging damaged 191 Mantra.
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Has anyone compared Line Prophet 100 and Titan Argos?

Storm Day, will the Titan Argos compare in quickness edge to edge to your Mantras? Thanks
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Question did you try the 180cm? A little shorter than you are looking for in an all-day ski?
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Summary: The Argos has gone on the short list for skis to replace my aging damaged 191 Mantra.
Thanks for the review SD. What else is on your short list?
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Originally Posted by Magnus_CA View Post
Thanks for the review SD. What else is on your short list?
08/09 Stockli Scot Scmidt Pro 101mm under foot. Need to demo this one.

new this year 191 Mantra. A really good end of season deal may swing things for a new Mantra.
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Question did you try the 180cm? A little shorter than you are looking for in an all-day ski?
No I didn't try the 180cm. Given SierraJim review and how straight the skis is, I would expect similar performance for a lighter skier with the 180cm as I had with the 187cm.
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Originally Posted by vaportrail View Post

Storm Day, will the Titan Argos compare in quickness edge to edge to your Mantras? Thanks
My 05/06 94mm waist Mantra is noticeably quicker edge to edge than the Argos. The difference was what I expected between a 94mm and 101mm waist skis.

Argos stuck me as quick enough. So unless there is significant amount of mogul skiing or short quick in fall line turns, I doubt think Argos edge to edge quickness would be an issue.


BTW: The Argos seemed a tad quicker edge to edge than my Watea 101.
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argos vs. scott p4

Great review, StormDay!

While we're on comparisons,
Does anyone have an overall skiing comparison between the Blizzard Argos 180 and the Scott P4 181?
Which would be a better 1-quiver ski?

Thanks,
nfp
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Thanks Storm Day!! Argos sound like a great one ski.
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Originally Posted by nfp158 View Post
Great review, StormDay!

While we're on comparisons,
Does anyone have an overall skiing comparison between the Blizzard Argos 180 and the Scott P4 181?
Which would be a better 1-quiver ski?

Thanks,
nfp
Great review, very thorough.

Re: the Scott P4 (181) That is a very soft snow oriented ski and depending upon tastes, would be more specialized than the Argos. I have skied the P4 and it is nimble and easygoing but not as broad spectrum as far as conditions capabilities.

SJ
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No I didn't try the 180cm. Given SierraJim review and how straight the skis is, I would expect similar performance for a lighter skier with the 180cm as I had with the 187cm.
Cool. This is one of the skis I don't have any time on, but ordered a pair in anticipation of my return to skiing within 2 months. I don't know if it will find a place along side my Huge Trouble, but I may end up using the Duke on it for AT use this spring and summer.
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but I may end up using the Duke on it for AT use this spring and summer.
I think that would be very nice setup. Argos is burly enough for corn and funky snow. Plus, it has the edge hold if you find yourself on some still very firm snow.
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I think that would be very nice setup. Argos is burly enough for corn and funky snow. Plus, it has the edge hold if you find yourself on some still very firm snow.
yeah, that is what I was thinking. Argos for softer snow days, HT for big dumps, and 4x4 for firmer snow. The only problem is that I often like to go ski fresh snow early, then rip up the soft groomers in the afternoon once the mountain is tracked up, the later of which is better suited to the Magnum 8.7, as I like a very strong carver underfoot for the groomers. I haven't had any luck with wide skis on groomers (save for the Nordica Enforcer): they usually feel about as exciting as piloting a barge, while I was looking more for at least a ski-boat.

I will try the Argos and 8.7 and keep the one that works better. I purchased the Legend Pro last year in a similar situation, and ended up dumping it in favor of the Elan 888 and Huge Trouble combo. LP wasn't quite wide enough for the deep snow and the flat terrain/heavy snow (where the HT shines), and wasn't much fun on groomers either (no energy, big lazy feel, same as pretty much every ski around that width). Hopefully the Argos is better in both!
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I'm thinking of an Argos as a backcountry/freeride ski in my 2-ski quiver (my "groomer" ski a AMC76). Was there any change in this year's Argos (08/09) or it is the same as the 07/08 (except the graphics, of course)?
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