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post #1 of 28
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Lookin in the 100-200 dollar range for a decent set of bindings.
I don't want cheep gear. I want good gear that might be 1 or 2 years old.
Like marker 12 line.
or TYROLIA 12 line.

I'm not really sure where to go get a good deal on these.
I'd really like a set of markers, but the tyrolia 12's are nice as well, i get to try out a set on monday.

Is there some good places to get some reviews on them?
I have not looked around here yet.

I plan on putting them on a set of Hart Pulse's (stage 1's)
post #2 of 28
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Originally Posted by Talyn View Post
Lookin in the 100-200 dollar range for a decent set of bindings.
I don't want cheep gear. I want good gear that might be 1 or 2 years old.
Like marker 12 line.
or TYROLIA 12 line.

I'm not really sure where to go get a good deal on these.
I'd really like a set of markers, but the tyrolia 12's are nice as well, i get to try out a set on monday.

Is there some good places to get some reviews on them?
I have not looked around here yet.

I plan on putting them on a set of Hart Pulse's (stage 1's)
That is such a nice ski, it deserves a quality binding. My suggestion would be Vist Speedlock Race with a Vist 412 binding.
post #3 of 28
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That's a race binding isn't it phil?
I didn't have much luck googling it.
post #4 of 28
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Originally Posted by Talyn View Post
That's a race binding isn't it phil?
I didn't have much luck googling it.
Just some background, I ski the same Hart Stage One which is now the Pulse with new graphics. Same ski, made by Blossom in Europe. The ski also is branded by Vist and marketed with their bindings. Try E-bay, there is a seller, maybe Denver Wholesale skis, or something like that. They have the bindings.

It's a flat ski, and can be mounted with most bindings. You have to decide if you want a plate binding mounting system. The question with Vist is do you want to add one of their mounting plate systems, which increases the cost.

Phil mounted my skis with Vist bindings and the adjustable speedlock system. While I like the binding system, the Vist binding does not have full scale substantial distribution system.

There has been so much written about bindings in the Epic forums. Personal preference and integrated bindings can make the choice difficult. Consider a simple flat mounted Look binding.
Great reviews and in your price range..
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post #6 of 28
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Originally Posted by cfr View Post
Good find!

also on Epic Classifieds
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...64#post1040964
post #7 of 28
I justed posted a brand new pair of Tyrolia LD12's on the swap board for $100,check them out!
post #8 of 28
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I'm going to run lift plates, is that what you call them?
Flat mounting the bindings to the ski's just doesn't seem very.
Well. I know that I like the way the ski's I'm using now are, and they are lifted up, and that is good. I'm told it gives you a bit more leverage. Maybe that's a bad word for it, but right... thought?

I will check out links. Thanks guys.
I'm not looking for some hard core binding cause I'm not going to be racing or doing any crazy moguls or stunts.

Thanks for the info on where the ski's are made.
Seems strange they market them as made in USA. haha.
post #9 of 28
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Originally Posted by Talyn View Post
Lookin in the 100-200 dollar range for a decent set of bindings.
I don't want cheep gear. I want good gear that might be 1 or 2 years old.
Like marker 12 line.
or TYROLIA 12 line.
I'm not really sure where to go get a good deal on these.
Is there some good places to get some reviews on them?
I have not looked around here yet.
IMHO unless you are a heavyweight, do tricks, ski 60mph, etc. all DIN 12 bindings will be fine. Thereafter it is a matter of personal choice (i.e., I don't like Markers since they weigh too much for the features you get and I don't like the lack of features on Salomons). I am like you - I refuse to pay more than about 50% off list for bindings (to wit my current skis have 07/08 LD12's for $100 and 07/08 PX12's for $130 all purchased between this and last season).

Where? Let your fingers do the googling (that's how I found mine). What's out there and at what price changes almost daily so you are probably best equipped to seek out the bargains (unless someone replies here with a deal like Buckwild) .
post #10 of 28
Thread Starter 
The stuff from buckwild isn't bad.
The other link a member posted was great as well.
They will come with the rail flex plates which i want lift plates. I have no intentions of flat mounting bindings to the ski's. More advantage to the lift plate.

Thanks for the advice.
i didn't feel there was no need for some fancy binding.
I get to try out the tryola however you spell it tomorrow.
post #11 of 28
got 2007 Look PX12 lifters for 87. they are the same as the 2009 basically, but a lot cheaper. check Evo Gear
post #12 of 28
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Thanks, checking it out now.
post #13 of 28
Look/Dynastar PX12s or PX14s or their Rossignol (Axial2 12 or 14 DIN) equivalents are good choices.

Tyrolia (also marketed as Head and Fischer) FreeFlex or Railflex series are also good. The 2006 LD12 and HD14 Railflexes at at Level Nine struck me as a particularly good deal. The 14s give you a slightly more advanced binding, but the 12s are pretty darned good and you can't quibble with the price.
post #14 of 28
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Originally Posted by Talyn View Post
...They will come with the rail flex plates which i want lift plates. I have no intentions of flat mounting bindings to the ski's. More advantage to the lift plate....
Bit confused here. Bindings with lift plates can be flat-mounted (i.e., the PX12 Lifters which I bought). If all you want is lift then you don't need the Railflex (i.e., the regular LD12's which I also bought).

If, however, you want fore/aft adjustability and a binding that will move with the flex of the ski then you want a Railflex-type of system (which then means you won't be flat mounting the binding). Of course these systems will give you lift due to the nature of the design, but that is a consequence of the system not necessarily the reason for it.

Just thought I'd make sure you have your facts straight before you dive in further....
post #15 of 28
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Originally Posted by alpinedad View Post
Look/Dynastar PX12s or PX14s or their Rossignol (Axial2 12 or 14 DIN) equivalents are good choices.

Tyrolia (also marketed as Head and Fischer) FreeFlex or Railflex series are also good. The 2006 LD12 and HD14 Railflexes at at Level Nine struck me as a particularly good deal. The 14s give you a slightly more advanced binding, but the 12s are pretty darned good and you can't quibble with the price.
The one guy earlier posted a good link for a set of HD14 railflexes. I think I might grab those. Going to consult guy who teaching me to ski first on which one to get though.

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Originally Posted by ski-ra View Post
Bit confused here. Bindings with lift plates can be flat-mounted (i.e., the PX12 Lifters which I bought). If all you want is lift then you don't need the Railflex (i.e., the regular LD12's which I also bought).

If, however, you want fore/aft adjustability and a binding that will move with the flex of the ski then you want a Railflex-type of system (which then means you won't be flat mounting the binding). Of course these systems will give you lift due to the nature of the design, but that is a consequence of the system not necessarily the reason for it.

Just thought I'd make sure you have your facts straight before you dive in further....
Thank you for your help.
It's working in the brain, but I don't quite know the lingo yet of what to say. Still new to this. I just have an opportunity to get a nice set of ski's and need bindings for them. I'm sure that in time the lingo will come out right.
Flat mounting to me means to mount onto the ski itself with no sort of lift plate, or mount plate. Anything between the ski and the binding to me is a lift plate, flex plate, rail plate, mount plate, what not. Yes, a mount plate might still be flat, but the binding is mounted to the plate, not flat to the ski. Does that make any sense? I might be speaking all of this incorrectly. But this just makes more sense to me this way. Then there is the other type of mount, which I've seen which is a bit taller then these other plates which might just be 3cm. more like 1 or 2 inches. I'm sure there is some special name for these as well.
If I am thinking about this wrong, please correct me. A quick explanation probably wont do it. heh. Sometimes I need the long over information type description for it to sink in.

If the rail flex system will work good on the stage 1 carving ski's then that's probably what I'll end up with. I'd hate to hinder these ski's one bit by mounting something on them to restrict how they work. That is the purpose of a flex plate, correct?
post #16 of 28
Trust me, those skis rock! You pretty much have it right. No need or real benefit from a plate or lifter. A simple flat mount Tyrolia or Look is all you need. If you choose a Tryrolia system, that works too.
Get em mounted and start to enjoy.
post #17 of 28
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The way plates were explained to me is they give a bit more leverage, however they give "leverage" I'm not sure, but it makes sense to me.
I trust the info from the guy who gave it to me. He really does know ski's.

I don't have the stage 1's yet. Waiting on my money to come in here. Guy I did a job for is being slow on sendin the money. I hope to have stage 1's and the bindings by the end of the week. =)
I get to ski on some 170 stage 1's today. I'm getting 180's though.
post #18 of 28
Tyrolia railflex HD14
- A great binding but needs the Railflex Plate and not designed to be flat mounted. If you want a flat mounted binding look for a Tyrolia Free Flex binding.

Note that there are often last year stock left over. If you ask at your favourite shop they can look thru their lists to see if such a deal may exist. A while ago there was a good deal on FF Pro 14 from last year at a very very good price.

The shop might do this for you as usually they stock one pair of bindings for each ski they have in stock - thus would have to order an extra binding anyway

Mike
post #19 of 28
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Originally Posted by mikehoyt View Post
Tyrolia railflex HD14
- A great binding but needs the Railflex Plate and not designed to be flat mounted.
For the record, I believe that the pair I linked to at Level Nine came with the required rail, which can be mounted to any flat ski.
post #20 of 28
Yep. I have some extra RF "rails" if anyone needs them. I won't call it a plate. However, it does add lift.
post #21 of 28
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The one sight that a user mentioned earlier had a great deal on HD14 railflexes.

I'm really happy with the tryrola bindings I used today. Probably saved my from breaking my knee as opposed to just spraining it. The binding kicked out to the side as designed. I was going a bit faster then my skill level and paniced. ooops. Oh well, no skiing for a day or 2. hehe. =)

THank for your help guys!!
post #22 of 28
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Originally Posted by Talyn View Post
Flat mounting to me means to mount onto the ski itself with no sort of lift plate, or mount plate. Anything between the ski and the binding to me is a lift plate, flex plate, rail plate, mount plate, what not. Yes, a mount plate might still be flat, but the binding is mounted to the plate, not flat to the ski. Does that make any sense?
You might have me there! I am gonna go out on a limb and say that bindings mounted directly to a ski with or without a minimal amount of lift (i.e. the 5mm of the PX12 Lifter) is still "flat mounting". A Railflex or similar system is definitely not flat mounting. Is a plate that is mounted to the ski to which the bindings are then mounted considered flat mounting? I'd say no since that plate will be affecting the behavior of the skis just like Railflexes do, except in a different manner.

I'm sure the ski professionals that participate in this forum might have an official definition of what is "flat mounting", but that may be more semantics than anything. The important thing is that you understand the approach you will be taking (flat, plate, how much lift, Railflex, etc.) and have a good sense that it will provide some benefit that you are seeking. If not then you are just following technology for technology's sake.

My $0.02 is to go with Railflex (which seems to be the concensus on this thread anyway) - it's a great system (it provides some but not too much lift, allows you to adjust the fore/aft position of the bindings and allows the ski to flex as intended). OTOH if you know that some type of rigid plate system is what you want (which I wouldn't have an opinion on since that kind of mounting is not my thing) then go for it!

Enjoy learning skiology (is that a word?)
post #23 of 28
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Originally Posted by Talyn View Post
The one sight that a user mentioned earlier had a great deal on HD14 railflexes.

I'm really happy with the tryrola bindings I used today. Probably saved my from breaking my knee as opposed to just spraining it. The binding kicked out to the side as designed. I was going a bit faster then my skill level and paniced. ooops. Oh well, no skiing for a day or 2. hehe. =)

THank for your help guys!!


Bindings don't protect knees, you just got lucky.
post #24 of 28
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Bindings don't protect knees, you just got lucky.
The new KneeBinding is designed to protect your knees. I'm testing a set now. Yes they are expensive but knee surgery is $15k.
post #25 of 28
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Originally Posted by ski-ra View Post
You might have me there! I am gonna go out on a limb and say that bindings mounted directly to a ski with or without a minimal amount of lift (i.e. the 5mm of the PX12 Lifter) is still "flat mounting". A Railflex or similar system is definitely not flat mounting. Is a plate that is mounted to the ski to which the bindings are then mounted considered flat mounting? I'd say no since that plate will be affecting the behavior of the skis just like Railflexes do, except in a different manner.

I'm sure the ski professionals that participate in this forum might have an official definition of what is "flat mounting", but that may be more semantics than anything. The important thing is that you understand the approach you will be taking (flat, plate, how much lift, Railflex, etc.) and have a good sense that it will provide some benefit that you are seeking. If not then you are just following technology for technology's sake.

My $0.02 is to go with Railflex (which seems to be the concensus on this thread anyway) - it's a great system (it provides some but not too much lift, allows you to adjust the fore/aft position of the bindings and allows the ski to flex as intended). OTOH if you know that some type of rigid plate system is what you want (which I wouldn't have an opinion on since that kind of mounting is not my thing) then go for it!

Enjoy learning skiology (is that a word?)
I'm going with the way it was explained to me. I'm always open to different terminology. However, flat mounting on really flexy carving ski doesn't seem like a wise idea. The rail flex will allow the ski to flex better, and give you the benefits of being raised up off the ski as well. Which is good, the way its explained to me. Look at the Olympic skiers. they all have bindings raised off the ski. If it was better to flat mount, I would think that's what they would be doing.

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Bindings don't protect knees, you just got lucky.
Yea. That is the crappy part. The binding tripped though like it was designed. Thats what protected my knee. =)

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Originally Posted by Yo Momma View Post
The new KneeBinding is designed to protect your knees. I'm testing a set now. Yes they are expensive but knee surgery is $15k.
I just ended up pulling some muscles and stretching my ACL. The top of my knee is a bit swelled today. Can't make it to my classes, it stinks. Im really bummed about getting hurt, but I do have weak knees! Damn Stage 1's are way fast! As a newbie, I shoudln't have been going as fast as I was skiing. But holy crap was it fun before I wiped out. The crappy thing is, the way i fell, I dont think a knee brace woulda helped me any.
post #26 of 28
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http://www.levelninesports.com/tyrol...le-p-1337.html

Unless somebody knows of a better price. These are the bindings I'm going to snag up. I'm debating if I should buy the wider brakes for the binding, or just bend them out. The waist on the stage1's is a bit wider then the stock brake. Bending doesn't seem like a bad option. I was really happy with the Tyrolia 12's I was on yesterday, even though i got hurt. =*( But the rail flex was nice.
129 is a good price I'm told for tyrolia HD14 railflex.
post #27 of 28
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Originally Posted by Talyn View Post
...The rail flex will allow the ski to flex better, and give you the benefits of being raised up off the ski as well. Which is good, the way its explained to me. Look at the Olympic skiers. they all have bindings raised off the ski. If it was better to flat mount, I would think that's what they would be doing.
I'm not here to disagree with your conclusion (i.e., going with Railflex), just to hopefully educate you better about how you got there, so....

I don't think you should go by what WC racers use because what they are doing is highly specialized and doesn't fully translate into recreational skiing. Heck - they hose down the WC courses so that they turn into ice - last I checked those are the exact opposite conditions most of us are seeking.

Like I said there is lift, the Railflex and similar systems, and plates. I'm no expert in this subject but, while it is clear that each of these choices give you lift, each will yield a different result concerning the ski's on-snow behavior. I think a Railflex system's affect is generally good if you are using the ski mainly on groomers (it allows the ski to flex more naturally underfoot), so go for it. If you were considering some type of plate system I'd give you my thoughts on that matter (and probably try to talk you out of it), but this issue appears to be moot....

Finally keep in mind that lift is a two-edged sword. While it allows you to apply more edge pressure (due to the increased lever advantage from you to the ski edge), it makes the skis transition from edge to edge more slowly (you have to move further to get them on edge due to the increased lever arm). That's why any significant lift on wider skis is not a good thing since they are already slow edge to edge anyway.

Hope that helps and enjoy your Railflex's and new skis
post #28 of 28
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Originally Posted by ski-ra View Post
I'm not here to disagree with your conclusion (i.e., going with Railflex), just to hopefully educate you better about how you got there, so....

I don't think you should go by what WC racers use because what they are doing is highly specialized and doesn't fully translate into recreational skiing. Heck - they hose down the WC courses so that they turn into ice - last I checked those are the exact opposite conditions most of us are seeking.

Like I said there is lift, the Railflex and similar systems, and plates. I'm no expert in this subject but, while it is clear that each of these choices give you lift, each will yield a different result concerning the ski's on-snow behavior. I think a Railflex system's affect is generally good if you are using the ski mainly on groomers (it allows the ski to flex more naturally underfoot), so go for it. If you were considering some type of plate system I'd give you my thoughts on that matter (and probably try to talk you out of it), but this issue appears to be moot....

Finally keep in mind that lift is a two-edged sword. While it allows you to apply more edge pressure (due to the increased lever advantage from you to the ski edge), it makes the skis transition from edge to edge more slowly (you have to move further to get them on edge due to the increased lever arm). That's why any significant lift on wider skis is not a good thing since they are already slow edge to edge anyway.

Hope that helps and enjoy your Railflex's and new skis
I think the rail flex system will benifit me the best with a high carving ski like the Hart Pulse (stage 1)
The lift is not very much only 1cm to 2cm.
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