Originally Posted by Ghost
You are right that the 7 year old reviews have fewer details than the newer reviews.
Arnold, would you agree with "Serious GS ski, great carver, versatile, good rebound, quick edge-to-edge without sacrificing stability at speed. Requires good skills: advanced to expert." for the P50 F1s?
Eeeks..reviewing/comparing a review..ok..sure..here goes..
I would agree with "serious GS ski". And have read that too. Even years later about them.Not that I am capable of really seriouslly critiquing skis of that level properly.I am surely not. Considerring the # of GS skis that I have had and the differences,performance that I can appreciate. Sure it is outdated. Especially in the tip..and of course turn initiation. But as a "serious" GS ski..by today's standards(or few years ago). I would really have to see someone ski them..or know them before I would believe them that they felt or said they are a pos GS Ski/GS Race ski and they could detail their major faults. Finer,smaller points. Sure..I can do some of that. Ease of use..no they are tough. I have a very tough time imagining just about any skier laying a humiliating beating on these things. That would come under the category.."That is a cat's/dog's tail I should not have touched"
Great carver..?? Um..I would have to say poor. By 2002 standards and today.Based on "overall" carving. Over a wide range and comparing them to so many other skis. Especially newer skis.OH they WILL CARVE!! just like a friggin' scalpel. At slower speeds.No/On
their own terms.Yes. First you need to recover from their acceleration blast..THEN you have to deal with them NOT wanting to turn and shake off their laser beam like tracking. Once rolling at speed..yes..there they are very easy to carve and ultra precise. Sure would not be my choice for anything steep though. There are just so many skis that carve well and easily over a wide range. And way too many skis that carve GREAT! over a HUGE! range without having to go through this. Are they worth it to me in that department/or are they that good at carving in their niche that it is worth it. No way.
Versatile..LOL..welllll...they ARE skiable..sort of..BADLY..overall..but they are "skiiable" .To the lift. From the lift to the run they can scare you on. And back. You CAN ski around on them But why?? I can't imagine anyone spending that kind of time on these and improving. While I have been on enough skis of this performance level that were NOT really skiable for a lot of conditions. LOl..that sure imho does not make them "versatile"
Good rebound? Jeez I dunno. These are a horribly damped..as in zero,..caustic,reactive ski that has pretty bad manners until it is rolling. Loading these takes a very skiilled and deft hand! Not mine.Controlling/dealing with the rebound. To be honest..I never really loaded them. I load it a bit at the wrong speed and it wants to bite me! I just backed off left them alone until they got rolling.I weighted them a bit,hung on. Steered them. There are just certain speeds..transitions that this ski feels like a coiled snake. Immediately before,during,and immediately after they cross fall line..you'ld just better have this thing loaded and enough speed or it ain't gonna be yo friend. Once they are rolling they settle down nice. If you like skiing at that speed. Not me all the time. Remember this is a softer ski..and loads fairly easily.
Quick edge to edge. BLISTERRING!! edge to edge. But again..next to impossible to control until it gets rolling..by then it is still so precise that it gives me the heeby jeebies about moving my feet or anything else fast. While it does settle down.It is ultra precise and ultra fast reacting when run in quick linked fall line turns at medium speed. At medium speed this ski does not make me nervous. Very respectful of it. It is SOooo SERENE and precise at speed. I still cannot get over how well it tracks! That I do love about this ski a lot!
"Without sacrficing stablity" I dunno about that comment. The ONLY thing this thing is gonna sacrifice is the skier. Why would anyone say that? This is a fairly highly specialized no compromise ski. Just about all the GS skis I have been on are very stable. I don't think I can think of a bad one. Especially in a straight line..off edge. That is mainly why I like them. I dunno..when you are in the design process of a ski like this do you start with stability and take away to get other qualities? Or add enough stability in and take away other things?
I dunno. Stability in this thing has sure been sacrificed until it gets rolling that's for sure. Slow speed in this ski=pos.
Requires good skills. Advanced to expert.Umm..I would say requires more than that. Pretty good..not great..to just get down any hill. Good skills? Just good? I dunno. I think if this thing got away from you..right off the bat you would need more than just "good" skills to deal with it. I would say that I have good skills..not great or expert..but I also buy/test a lot of skis so that does give me a definite decided advantage in dealing with many flavours of ski personality behaviour. A good skier. Respectful. CAREFUL..sure. Can sort of feel it out.But this is not just an expert level ski to be able to appreciate it. It really requires some basic GS Race skills as well at the least. It is really an expert level GS Race ski. I have been on some GREAT! fun! consumer level GS skis. And had WAAY more fun! and they were WAAY easier to ski with/play with. I have never been on a consumer level ski even remotelly like this.
I love the way they track. That alone makes them keepers.
I ski them again tomorrow.