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Best All Mountain Twin Tip?

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
Could anyone offer any insight on some of the better twin tips for all mountain skiing. I have never tried twin tips, but I want to, they seem like alot of fun. The park has never been where I spend a tremendous amount of time, however, that is because I am not from ski country and like to spend my time exploring all aspects of the mountain when I am blessed with the opportunity to ski. I am about to graduate from college and attempt to make a move to ski country. I want to demo alot of skis and make a purchase this season. I definitely want to try several TT's. Here is how I would rate the categories I am looking for in the ski:
Groomed is the condition I usually experience and I love carving at high speed so this is important, however, I also want a ski that can perform in pow and crud as well as well as allow me to have some fun in the park.

I am 6 foot and 155lbs. Is my ski out there?????
post #2 of 23

This topic has been raised many times. Do a search on "Twin-tips" to find other posts. Otherwsie, I'll attempt to give some insight. IMHO, there really isn't a TT out there that rips high speed arcs on the groomed. Most are just too soft or lack the metal construction that is needed to ski like that. A Volkl V might be close, but the longest that it comes in is a 178...good for the park, but a bit short fro GS speeds.

On the other end of things, there are fat TT's that will be great all-mtn. boards, if you land in a place where the snow gets deep and stays on the soft side. The Salomon Pocket Rocket, K2 AK Enemy, and Rossi Bandit XXX will rule in those conditions. They are all wide-waisted, though which will help in powder, but leave something to be desired on the groomed. The Volkl G4 is defintely one to look into, although it isn't a true TT. Supposedly, Volkl is also coming out with a V Pro, a freeride TT with dimensions of 113/83/105. You could pick that up in a 180 or 190 and rule the mountain.

One disclaimer though...most of the freeride TT's are for powerful skiers, especially in the longer lengths. If you aren't landing fakie or riding the pipe all the time, you might be better served by a nice midfat.
post #3 of 23
Conrtary to what Bandit man thinks many twin tips are awsome all mountain skis, even at high speeds. They K2 Enemy, the Rossi Pow Air, Volkl V, Dynastar Candide, even the 1080 are all great skis, even at high speeds. Like any short shaped ski you have to roll in on edge early, and carve throughout the turn, to get stability at speed. I know tons of professional and or sponsored skiers who ski twins every day, super fast all the time. No problem.
post #4 of 23

I know that I am stirring up the pot here, but...


I do agree with you're point and since you and I ski the same mountain [although I live very far away:-(], I will admit to seeing the more proficient Mammoth skiers maching in their twins. I do realize that guys like JP Auclair, Morrison and others ride their twins everywhere. However, Jason stated that Groomed, powder and some park riding were his priorities. A fat or midfat with the twin tip as a residual benefit might be a better ski for him.

I will admit that I think the ski companies are missing the boat by not putting more of a diversity of twins out there. I don't want a 1080 for my all-mtn. stick. I don't trust a K2 Enemy on big hits. I do own Volkl V's, but my G30's kill them for all-mtn. performance.

Anyhow, the pros are better than Jason or I will ever be, so perhaps they could rip the mountain on just about any ski. Your point is appreciated, though.

BTW, Do you boot fit at Footloose or Kittredge or up at the Mountain?
post #5 of 23
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the input guys, it is much appreciated. Do you all have any opinions on the Volant McT? Several reviews I read rated this ski high on all mountain performance. I demoed some Volants last year and were happy with them. I have reached my current level of skiing while living in the South (Georgia, North & South Carolina) for my entire life. I have been blessed with a fair amount of athletic ability. As stated I am attempting to start a career in ski country for the sole purpose of being able to dedicate my free time to skiing. I want a ski I can grow with, and I feel I have good potential for increasing my ability with added days on mountain. Whenever I get the opportunity to ski I try and work on hits and freestyle stuff as well as all mountain aspects, its fun. If I get the opportunity to live somewhere accessible to skiing I will definitely want to work on all aspects of my skiing. Anyway, thanks for the input and keep it coming if you guys have anything else to add. Also if anyone has any suggestions for contacts or listings concerning jobs in the Salt Lake or Denver areas let me know (I am a Logistics major).

post #6 of 23

I live in SoCal, and although we get some soft stuff, most of the time, the stuff is very hard packed. With that being the case, a buddy of mine has only two skis, A Volkl G41 and a Volant McT. He uses the McT as his all-mtn ski and loves it. The only negative aspects of this ski (and this is very subjective) is that it is heavy compared to other twins, so spins are more difficult. Also, it has less sidecut than most other skis, so deepening on how much help you want in your turns, that can be a shortcoming. On the other hand, Volants have incredible edge grip and feel. Of all of the skis I tested last season, the Volant McG was my favorite for that exact reason. The Volant McH is a sweet, fat TT, too.

If you are going to land in UT or CO, you will want a fat ski. Nail two birds with one stone and pick up an AK Enemy, G4 or Bandit XXX. Then you will have your all-mtn. TT. The snow is just too sweet out there not to go fat!!
post #7 of 23
Bandit Man - Most twintips are midfats, that is why they are so versitle. The K2 Enemy is really the same ski as an Explorer, X Flight, or Olin Selkirk, with a turned up tail. There are a whole gang of us at Mammoth who swear by the "Enema" as our everyday all mountain ski of choice. I have a pair of 174 Mod X's and 173 Enemy's with demo tracks, and let everybody try them out. Guess what, everyone ordered the Enemy. Big hits? The Enemy is one of the most stable twins for landing hucks. One of the best skiers in town sold his G31's after getting a pair of V's. All you need is a good pair of Mid fat twins, and a fat. But I guess you could live without one of them if the twins are fat enough, or the fats shapely and twinned.

I work at Kitt, but only an evening or two a week during the season. I do most of my work by appt. for other instructors. I am responsible for a group of about 15 of them, and often have to play with there gear.

Nice talkin' Bandit
post #8 of 23
McT hols all the aces in my hand. Tried it on the same trip as a 1080, the enemy, some candides and a couple of others which didn;t really grab my attention long enough to remember their names or even colours.

The Enemy and the Mct were the most versatile by an appreciable margin. I found the Enemies had a little less rebound and life to them whereas the McTs felt really sharp, aggressive and exciting. Just a bit more fun I guess. Both skis, however, had no problem at high speeds on the hard stuff. Saying that, I did have the McT in a 185 (my normal ski is the McG in a 183 so I guess I could have gone a bit shorter for the tt).

In the park and in the air I think the 2 skis are pretty much assimilable. I can't say I noticed any difference in weight during spins (and I've heard it said that a slightly heavier ski is a bit better anyway because if you're a strong skier it will pay you back with more momentum and centrifuge, but that might just be nonsense - too technical for me to care about really).

Personally, I have a pair of the McTs on order for this season (in their sleek new polished chrome "69" livery) and can't wait.

Happy shopping!!


Pass me a bottle, Mr Jones...
post #9 of 23
The McT is a riot, but the Enemy is not too bad, just not damp enough for my taste.

Personally, I wish Volant would make a shorter, stiffer twintip with more sidecut.

I'll probably put the McT in my quiver this year, ski it short, and teach on it. I have been skiing and turning backwards for years to keep track of my ducklings (students) at the lower levels....

Those old 70's freestyle tip drags spin me around quite nicely, thank you very much.

The steel just rocks, although that new Head with the adjustable centerpont binding is pretty trick, and Head is a nice damp ski as well. Mosely is skiing for Head now. Built pretty tough too.

I have had some problems with de-lamming Volants myself, and it is annoying. The TI's (all models) were bad, I de-lammed three pairs right under the bindings...

At 190-200 lbs, I bend the crap out of a ski... bumps or cranking way over in carves...

Visit me here >>>SnoKarver
post #10 of 23
OK, Spinheli, you got my attention now.

I was that close to picking up a pair of 173 Enemies at the end of the season, but backed away because of the delam stories. I ended up with a 168 Volkl V, but the snow was gone before I could hit the snow with them. I do like the dimensions of the Enemy and have the feeling that it might have been the perfect stick for me. We will see. I would love to be a convert of the one quiver ski. I love high speed, but ove hitting the park as well. Hopefully somewhere along the way this season I can find the perfect pair. Maybe an Enemy. Maybe a G4 or V Pro. I appreciate your opinion. Mine is purely based on personal experience, and that really isn't a wide enough sample to make a reliable assessment.

BTW, Do you know Dave Levin? He is a SoCal boy that I used to work with during my life as a Shop Schmoe. He was working over at Footloose as a boot-fitter/Ski salesman. He is a young punk, but really into the new school scene up at Mammoth.
post #11 of 23
Bandit - No, I do not know Dave. Most of my friends at "Loosefoot" are old Kitt employees, or ski school people. The Enemy delam problem actually brcame a bit of a selling point. Quite a few people got most of the season, or all of it before the delam started. Then, they got a new pair on warranty. I had the black ones for about 170 days, and never had a problem. This just means I'm a wuss in the park. I used a new pair of the red ones for the last half of last season, and no problem there either. That V pro looks cool, but I have not skiied it yet. The G4 is a great ski for Mammoth all the time. Later.
post #12 of 23
I think the best all mnt twin your could get is the Kneissl Superfly (110/75/100) only in a 192. Basically a big mid fat with a twin tip, rips up the whole mnt and does pretty good in the park. Hard to find, for sure, but definetely worth it.
post #13 of 23
would u guys call a rossi B2 twin tip?
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post #15 of 23
I have a pair of XX (previos model of B2) the tail is slightly turned up, but not as much as the B3/XXX. You can land switch on groomed/hard snow but it is very hard in powder or choppy snow because 1) tails are not turned up very high 2) not much tail if the skis are mounted normally 3) tip/tail flex is not conducive to landing switch. They are good enough unless you ride park constantly.
post #16 of 23
whats the best for jumps off natural terrains? a purpose built park ski? or an all mountain ski?
post #17 of 23
For jumping natural terrain, you want a wider ski for a bigger landing platform. Some skis in this category might be Salomon Pocket Rocket, Rossi Scratch BC, Armada ARV/JP & Julien/Boronski pro model, Volkl Gotama, K2 Made n AK/Seth Vicious etc. etc. This will also work in the terrain park, however as the snow there is groomed you do not need such a wide ski to land and the less weight is nice.
post #18 of 23
Freeskier Magazine this year stated that the Volkl Karma was the best skiing all round twin Tip. Most here will agree!
post #19 of 23
Originally Posted by sars
Freeskier Magazine this year stated that the Volkl Karma was the best skiing all round twin Tip. Most here will agree!
I heard that but I've not read mind blowing reviews about it on the web.
post #20 of 23

personally, i wouldnt go with any ski over 100 mm under foot. since you are somewhat of a beginner, i would suggest a more soft ski. if you are not to worried about price, i would suggest the armada triumph. It is a perfect all mountain ski and is a GREAT carver. if indeed price is an issue for you though, i would go for the armada el ray. it ripps all terrain, and is cheap, but its a cap construction all the way through. hope this helps man!!!

post #21 of 23

I am surprised that no one mentioned any Line skis. They make many TT skis for a variety of purposes. You might want to check out their product line.


post #22 of 23

This thread is NINE YEARS OLD! It hasn't even been commented on for FIVE YEARS until today. Does the concept of time mean nothing to you people?

post #23 of 23

Well, maybe..........aw, nevermind.

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