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Divergent Tips

post #1 of 9
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I have treated myself to two pairs of short slalom/carving skis. I'm 5'10" 175lbs and these skis are 160 cm. On two occasions in the last 48 hours I have either fallen quickly or been spun around when a tip gets "flung" in a wild direction. Two days ago I had a fairly quick/hard fall at high speed. Today at slow speed my right ski hit a little clump of snow and was knocked off course and I did a fairly quick 360! In both cases I was on a flat ski. Is the obvious answer that these short skis must be on edge at all times?

I never experienced this on a 170cm or higher ski. Is it a function of short skis or am I getting old and feeble?
post #2 of 9
I did a 180 like that (fairly rapid progress on a fairly steep slope), and when my binding released, the boot toe went into the snow and I blew out my Achilles tendon. But the skis were 205's. Too much inside ski steering without enough pressure on the ski.
post #3 of 9
bevel the base edges 1-1.5 degrees?
post #4 of 9
i noticed the same thing on a pair of shorty slaloms... i loved 'em, but it seemed like a golf ball-sized chunk of ice or hard snow hitting the tip was all was needed to toast you.... no advice here, just sympathy... i actually looked down at the ski (bad, i know) when it happened once -- little chunk of snow hit the tip of the outside ski at high speed...cartwheels.... i'd never flown that far through the air before.
post #5 of 9
This is a possible indication that you have transfered too much weight too the out side ski and am using too much rotory of inside foot. Ski more square(still a slight counter), less lead change will allow you too match edge angles and keep cm forward during entire turn. By keeping tips of both skiis engaged in the snow they will draw you into turn. This keeps the skis very stable.
Try spending alot of time on a 123cm skiing teaching ski. Ski at same speed and similar turn shape as you normally would on 160 slaloms. Wotk to keep moving forward so tips are engaged during turn, this has been a simple way for many to become comfortable with short slaloms.
post #6 of 9
oops sorry for the grammar accidently posted before proofing. : :
post #7 of 9
Lots of people make turns by over rotating the inside ski. I often see the V-shape in their skis as they make the turn. On short skis that can be dangerous, since the tip is obviously not well engaged and any clump of snow can deflect it and get you into a rotation. Another suggestion is to keep the skis on edge, as you already mentioned.

However, I would say to give it time. You will get used to them shorties and eventually they will perform to your expectations.
post #8 of 9
Watch a top freeskiers and racers doing long turns, they are nearly always in a diverging parallel. Aggressively leading into the turn with the inside ski helps open the hip/pelvis up into the new turn, and helps keep the center of mass moving into the turn. As with most tecniques, there is no "wrong" or "right" about it - its just another tool for the toolbag, to be applied when desired/needed, and not used when not needed.
post #9 of 9
Hey, sounds like your inside ski needs to stop laz'n along "complimenting the activity of the outside ski" (nice turn dude! [img]tongue.gif[/img]) and take on a more definite role of responsibility to help keep you upright. If its not work'n for you, then its work'n against you. Ski with both feet committed to the task, even if one (or both) are in the air.

Fun'n aside, yes the new slaloms are squirrely and darty when flat. Their stability is dependant on their being on edge and bent into an arc. They are made softer so that they can easilly bend into the big arc, getting progressivly stiffer as the load gets greater. So when they are flat (unloaded) they easilly deflect from terrain or lumpy snow. Arc'em or park'em
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