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Skis: Scott Punisher twin tips, 191cm, 130-90-116, 15M TR

Me: too old to be skiing twin tips, 6'0", 185lbs, skiing for almost 45 years.

Test location: Gore Mtn, NY today, 1-13-09. Conditions were a mix of man-made, natural snow ans some scraped off spots. For upstate NY, pretty nice conditions.

I'll admit I'm a deal whore and when I saw these on TramDock for under $200, I took the hook. Props to High Adventure ski shop in Latham, NY for calling me and asking about mounting point. I told them "traditional", not going to be hitting the park on these skis. The mark on the boots lines up with the midsole mark on the skis exactly. They would probably be better as powder skis with the mount further back, but we don't have to worry about flotation too much in this neck of the woods.

I have heard these are Scott's twin tip version of the popular Santiago Mission skis. Maybe so, maybe no. Haven't skied those, so I can't compare. These are the widest skis I've ever been on (84mm underfoot for my Nordica Afterburners). They didn't feel clumsy or any wider than the Nordicas. In fact, I found them to be surprisingly quick edge to edge. the short turning radius in such a wide ski produces a glade killer...that's why I bought these skis.

First day impressions: a very nice ski in very mixed conditions. Carves almost as sharp as a slalom carver (I also have Dynamic VR17 Slaloms), powers thorugh man-made mank effortlessly, and was a real hoot in fresh snow in the trees (maybe 4-6"). They were very easy to maneuver in tight spots in the glades and stayed on top of the untracked snow I found in a couple of stretches.

The ski is very easy to carve in any number of shapes from tight slalom-type turns and long, relaxed GS turns and just as eager to slide turns when the conditions called for it to do so. I skied a few runs very fast as there were very few people at Gore today and they felt solid and comfortable at speeds up to about 45mph.

I would say they are very forgiving (this was my first day out this year and I'm sure my skills were rusty) and didn't punish lazy skiing at the end of the day. I don't really understand the definition of sweet spot in a ski. Must be I can adapt to just about anything Seriously, I never felt thrown around by the ski and was able to control it in a wide variety of conditions without working overly hard. I didn't put a lot of pressure on the tips (first time I haven't had bleeding shins on the first day of the season) and they seemed to like to be driven from the center. My lack of skills put me in the back seat a couple of times and they didn't give up on me.

The only condition I didn't find today was real eastern hardpack. If the conditions are like that, I'll be on the slalom carvers anyway, so I may never report on it's ability to handle bulletproof.

After 1 day....I like 'em.

I also bought some Oakley Crowbar goggles from TramDock. These are great goggles. Smaller than my previous Carreras, but the visibility was better. The clarity of the lenses is unparalleled. they fit very easily over my Leedom helmet and didn't fog at all despite some heavy breathing from my lack of fitness. Very sweet.

Hestra Alpine Pro gloves. Bought these from a Bear who got them too small. I get all the hype. To coin a phrase, they fit like a glove. They were very warm (temp was around 12 at the summit and windy), comfortable, and the highest quality gloves I've ever had. Glad I got 'em.

Mountain Hardware Exposure II jacket. Just bought this from Axebiker last week. A very high quality, technical jacket. It was cold today and got pretty windy and snowy toward the end of the day, but this jacket was windproof, waterproof, very comfortable and kept me warm with a few lightweight layers under a Patagonia Capilene midweight shirt. Again, props to Axebiker for a sweet deal.
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Want to give props to CJO, the Bear that sold me the Hestra gloves. Sweet deal on sweet gear!
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B- your description of that ski is dead on with what I feel about the Santiagos. Best crud busting skis I've ever been on, floaty in the pow. Capable of just about any turn size/shape. Stable,quick and forgiving. In short Eastern tree slayers.

Weird thing about these skis, excuse my rudimentary description, not exactly PSIA. I almost felt like I could pivot a turn at will, as opposed to edging into and muscling it around. Not sure if that makes sense or not, they just feel so easy to turn in the lighter stuff. Like I could look in the direction of my turn and I was there.

FYI they are ok on hardpack and ice, not that chattery at speed, but a little slow edge to edge and once up on edge I didn't feel real confident in their grip. I actually intentionally took them out on one of the iciest days we've had so far this season. Normally I wouldn't have taken skis this wide out, but for S&Gs it was pretty fun.
As I get used to them, I bet they will handle better on ice

Great boards for the price, thats for sure. In hindsight I wished I'd stuck it out and waited for the Punishers to show up on TD, as I do prefer the flexibility of a twin.

If I head up Gore anytime soon, I'll drop you a PM and maybe we can try a Pepsi challenge on these skis.
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Originally Posted by dumpy View Post
If I head up Gore anytime soon, I'll drop you a PM and maybe we can try a Pepsi challenge on these skis.
I actually spend most weekends in the Syracuse area. I work in Albany, but my family is still in B-ville because my son is in HS there and involved with school and club hockey. Most of my ski days are weekdays, which is nice.....
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A couple of other points. As Dumpy noted, these things are very easy to maneuver in tight spots. I'll forego the ability to do high speed Alaskan faces in trade for the ability to ski in the trees here in the Northeast. Also, the skis are 191cm but felt much shorter. Probably the twin tips.
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Originally Posted by bjohansson View Post
I actually spend most weekends in the Syracuse area. I work in Albany, but my family is still in B-ville because my son is in HS there and involved with school and club hockey. Most of my ski days are weekdays, which is nice.....
If you ever hit up any CNY areas (especially GP) and see a guy in all black on Missions, chances are good it's me.

Weekday skiing is the Albany area doesn't sound like a half bad deal.
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Yes, they're twin tipped Mission, with a little extra pop in the tail.
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Hey whats up guys. I'm from the Albany, New York area myself. I'm also about to pick up some punishers in 182...my nordica nitrous died on me the other day at stratton. Anyways, happy skiing and if any of you are down for some runs at killington let me know.
cheers
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So here's an update...

 

I spent the week of 1-26 thru 1-30 at Gore.  I skied the 191cm Punishers in a light snow storm on Monday, with about 3-4 inches of new snow in the glades (Straightbrook and Chatiemac).  As previously reported, these skis rock in the trees.  I started feeling real confident and skied faster than I should have seeing as I was solo. 

 

I skied my slalom carvers on Tuesday, but the promise of a significant dump on Wednesday brought the Punishers back out.  Neither the weather nor the skis disappointed.  We got a little more than a foot of snow during the day and the Punishers were great in crud and really shined (shone???) in the trees.  It was snowing so hard our tree lines filled in from run to run and the Punishers floated and plowed through anything and everything.

 

The significant snow of Wednesday became a mix of very soft groomers and ungroomed crud on Thursday.  I would say the Punishers were better in these conditions than my Nordica AfterBurners.  I can't find anything about the Punisher that I dislike...except the topsheet design at the tips.  I actually like the skeleton (sorta Grateful Dead look) and the T-rex on the tails.


Edited by bjohansson - Thu, 05 Feb 09 03:01:37 GMT
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