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post #121 of 142
Years ago, I was in a little cafe in Whitehorse, Yukon Territory, preparing for a canoe expedition to the Snake River in northern Yukon. From the breakfast menu, I ordered blueberry pancakes with "real maple syrup"--one of my favorite things. Shortly, the waitress delivered the pancakes, along with a little pitcher of a clear, syrupy liquid. It was sweet, but it wasn't anything like the syrup my father makes each spring back in Maine.

I called the waitress back and said, "I ordered the Real maple syrup." She said, "You got it." I said, "this is definitely not real maple syrup."

"Yes, it IS real," she said. "It's not, like, from TREES, like in Quebec. But it's certainly REAL!"



Best regards,
Bob Barnes (really)
post #122 of 142

Firm buttocks
Mild perspiration
Pores agape
I am hot
For your sexy skiing style!

...and your pure, sweet, maple syrup.

Please, I need more...

...more of something to make this thread more interesting because ANALyzing skiers is boring. Either you have it or you don't, you can improve it but you can't make it happen like PSIA tries to do. The proof is in that 3%.
post #123 of 142
Forgot to mention, when I said I ski better than 90% of you hosers, I meant to say 90% of the PSIA examiners. Sorry for the need to clarify.
post #124 of 142
Don't tell me--let me guess--you're not an Assistant Race Coordinator at Sugar Mountain, are you? Only someone with such impressive credentials could possibly post such elegant, insightful, and enlightening posts as yours. I do hope you'll continue to keep us informed with your words of wisdom!

(Is there an icon for "Big Cheesy Grin"?)
post #125 of 142
Quote:
Originally Posted by proskier111
Forgot to mention, when I said I ski better than 90% of you hosers, I meant to say 90% of the PSIA examiners. Sorry for the need to clarify.
How do you know this? I wonder if it’s true or just bravado? My experience has been that the guys you want to watch out for are the guys that ask you to take it easy on them. You know – the unassuming guys.



Sounds like you ski big. Have you competed? Do you or did you routinely place in the top 10% of anything? Racing? Moguls? Free Skiing? Extreme?



I’d just like to understand where your ranking comes from. Oh, and very unassuming name ProSkier111 … wasn’t ProSkier10% available?

post #126 of 142
AHAHAHA, you've got me chuckling now! "Assistant Race Coordinator"? Hardly! Remember, I said I ski better than 90% of the PSIA examiners (but I don't know anything about teaching skiing), that eliminates that title right away.

As a matter of fact, you won't find my name listed in the top 10 of anything...

...except one time I did win a professional ski race (the dual giant slalom kind with jumps and all, even a trophy and $$ and big name challengers), the only one I entered as a dare by a friend, so I guess you might find my name listed somewhere out there.

You see, my point is that, while it's extremely rare, there might be a person out there who has the talent but doesn't see the point of ANALyzing someone's movement patterns as a fun time. While PSIA people were standing around in the same place for hours discussing how to ski and figuring out which level they were in, I was doing it! That's how I got to the level of ability I'm at today.

And, when your big egos are confronted, don't hesitate to challenge the challenger. I'll back it up with sheer ability and accept the challenge from very best. Isn't that what keeps us on our toes (remember: squish the grapes)? :
post #127 of 142
Okay Pro – I’m intrigued …

Quote:
Originally Posted by proskier111
...except one time I did win a professional ski race … and big name challengers), the only one I entered as a dare by a friend …”
Certainly you must have a background in racing, right? This Dual GS wasn’t the one and only racing that you ever competed in, right? You probably spent hours and hours in the gates training, but only ever unleashed your awesome technical abilities this one time under the duress of a dare - is that it?

I’m just curious because the way you wrote this it reads like you just entered a Pro format dual GS “out of the blue” having never raced a day in your life and won against big name pros. I’ve raced my entire life and know that’s just not going to happen at a regional level let alone a pro level so I’m just looking for some clarification.

See, I’m with you ProSkier – I’m not much into overanalyzing things either. When I first saw this clip I had some thoughts on our “Bro’s” technique as well, but then my attention turned to that over sized pack he’s carrying, which looks like it’s probably quite heavy – not just a lunch and water in there. My guess is that our Bro might not exhibit the technical flaws that you & others are so eager to point out if he wasn’t loaded down with that pack. (What the heck is this guy hauling around in his pack? There’s enough volume there for several days of mountaineering).

I have no idea what level he is or should be. Is he going to make it onto the cover of Powder? No. But, he’s rock solid nonetheless and that’s all that matters. You’re obviously a Pro-level skier as you’ve made abundantly clear by your name, bravado, and rather short but albeit successful résumé. Can’t you cut us mere mortals some slack?
post #128 of 142
Why don't you guys tell us about yourselves or at least fill out the profile section so we know who we are talking to.

....Ott
post #129 of 142
I know I shouldn't, but I just can't resist throwing in my $.02.

While I'm certainly not in Proskier111's class by any means, I have had the privilege to ski with (more accurately, try to keep up with) a fair number of pretty well-known skiers. In some places where mistakes would be inconvenient at the very least. Also, I've skied the chute in question.

And finally, I've had the privilege of making some turns with the skier in this sequence.

The point is that I've seen a lot of good skiers in a lot of situations and conditions.

Given that, all I can say is that this skier is one of the strongest, smoothest all-mountain skiers I've seen on a hill. I'm sure that freeze-frame images highlight any technique inconsistencies, but I would *really* like to see a similar set of images of what all of us could somehow agree was a "world-class skier" on that same slope at the same time.

This skier can certainly improve, as anyone can, but some of the comments here imply fairly substantial technical deficiencies in this skier. I don't think that's the case and that's why I'd love to see a set of images of, say, Jeremy Nobis skiing the same shot at the same time.

Also, "hero" corn snow has been mentioned several times. My own experience is that the south side of Superior very, very seldom (almost never) gets what I would consider to be "hero" corn - particularly in the main routes like Suicide. Far more common is a somewhat lumpy, sloppy, and inconsistent surface. To me, that's apparent by the amount of slushy snow thrown up by the skier's edges in most of these frames. There is a world of difference between skiing "hero" corn in a really steep chute and skiing a surface with a lot of irregularities.

I remember laughing almost uncontrollably when this thread first started and some observers called this "Level 7" terrain.

I guess all I'm trying to say is that this is one hell of a skier - perhaps even a match for Proskier111.

Bob
post #130 of 142
Good questions Bob,
things show up different when we're in the backcountry with some exposure, etc..
seems he's also skiing in Scarpa Lasers, which are a pretty light and... (well they are a great hiking boot that takes skill to ski well i tough conditions)


i bet you take the pack off, put him in a resort and give him some ski boots instead of walking boots and he outskis many of the posters here (me included)

Cheers,
Holiday
post #131 of 142
[quote=Woodee]Okay Pro – I’m intrigued …

Certainly you must have a background in racing, right? This Dual GS wasn’t the one and only racing that you ever competed in, right? You probably spent hours and hours in the gates training, but only ever unleashed your awesome technical abilities this one time under the duress of a dare - is that it?

I’m just curious because the way you wrote this it reads like you just entered a Pro format dual GS “out of the blue” having never raced a day in your life and won against big name pros. I’ve raced my entire life and know that’s just not going to happen at a regional level let alone a pro level so I’m just looking for some clarification.[quote]

Woodee:
As a matter of fact, no real training or racing background, and yes, it was the only race I've ever competed in (except for a few Local Motion and Nastar races which don't really count as racing). I'm a product of good genetics and imaging, a real rare bird.

I did enter the race as a dare (yes, an "out of the blue" experience), and did beat the big names of their time, but found no joy in it so chose to remain anonymous. Who knows, maybe they let me win? But, I doubt it, it was a lot of $$.

While reexamining that guys photo sequence I did begin to wonder to myself how I'd handle that terrain with a rather large, overstuffed backpack, guess that would explain why he's not balanced, centered, or in control.
post #132 of 142
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Peters
While I'm certainly not in Proskier111's class by any means
Now I'm laughing. Don't sell yourself short Bob! For those of you that haven't skied with him, Bob is one of the best/smoothest skiers I've ever seen in any terrain and any condition.....

I've followed this thread but haven't commented. Why ? Because I don't want to make judgements based on the photo sequence in question. I know the terrain and it ain't level 7 terrain. The pack is the other main reason along with the relatively graininess of the photos on the ends of the montage. There are just too many unknowns. I'll reserve judgement until I witness the turns in person.

L
post #133 of 142
Lot being said about the weight and effect of this enormous pack. From page one of this thread:

Quote:
Originally Posted by harpo
...Rio - There is nothing in the packpack - it is a kelty kid carrier and does a good job of carriing skis and boots
post #134 of 142
Quote:
Originally Posted by lshull
Now I'm laughing. Don't sell yourself short Bob!
L
Aw, shucks, Lonnie, that's very nice of you.

I just sent you an email - give me a call. We've got room.

Bob
post #135 of 142
Kelty Kid Carrier? Now, who's your daddy? That's embarrassing!
post #136 of 142
This thread is four years old!!!!

Does Hapro even post here anymore?
post #137 of 142
Well, after seeing those pics and reading the critiques here I hereby demote myself from a level 8 to a level 6.5.

I'd ski that run, but would be very happy if I skied it as nicely as that guy!
post #138 of 142
Quote:
Originally Posted by Powdigger View Post
This thread is four years old!!!!

Does Harpo even post here anymore?
classic thread BUMP, 'just 'cause.




Quote:
Originally Posted by harpo View Post
The chute is pretty steep, about 40 degrees with a double fall line, and ends in a small waterfall. Also you lose all sense of speed - the skier is moving fairly quickly.
"fairly quickly." uh-yep.
post #139 of 142
Quote:
Originally Posted by ryan View Post
classic thread BUMP, 'just 'cause.
Oh, you devil, you.

Still, this remains one of my favorite threads of all time.
post #140 of 142
Well done, ryan! I had forgotten it!
post #141 of 142

Definitely one of my all time favorite threads here on Epic.

Still haven't skied Suicide chute but it is something I really would like to try (I think??).
post #142 of 142
This was certainly the longest thread ever at the time and is much longer than the posts here. This thread encompassed three threads over a time period of flux for Epicski. I believe it even started just before the split from the barking beavers and encompassed a couple of internet hosts. The total length is close to 400 posts.
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