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post #1 of 13
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Hi all -

New to the forums, been reading quite a bit.

A bit about myself. Took an 8 year break from skiing, wished I hadn't, forgot how fun it is. Skied for about 13 years previously and got back into it the last couple. Probably get in 20-25 days a season.

33 years old, 5'9" & 175 lbs. Live in California and will be skiing probably 75% here, the other 25% Colorado. I would classify myself as a strong intermediate to beginning advanced if that makes sense. Technique starts to drop off once the hills get pretty steep. I enjoy skiing off the runs some and a little in the parks. Most fun for me is the groomed runs with some speed and carving. Not great at the bumps, just not enough practice at this point. Would like to gain some confidence in this area.

When I got back into skiing last season I purchased a couple of packages at a local sports store that were not real pricey to make sure my wife and I were going to enjoy getting back into the sport. Well we do now and I would like to get some skis that are going to allow me to progress. Really looking for one pair that will work for me. Something that I can take around California and out to Colorado from time to time.

Presently the skis I am riding are 167 in length. I feel like 170 might be the ticket but am open for suggestions.

Thanks,

Ryan
post #2 of 13
Any of the 88mm all mountain sticks that you can get a deal on. I would try to move up to 178ish.
post #3 of 13

Um...

...somebody will have better suggestions than I, but let me start off by saying that length is only one parameter, and the difference between 167 and 170 is a wash in most cases. My guess is *somewhere* around that length will work just fine. I'm pretty good at figuring out race skis for people, but I kind of go to Owego when it comes to picking stuff for rec skiers. Let's say for a minute that 170 is the right length...the question is What type of ski? Note that "All Mountain", which is a likely suspect for you, now has all kinds of subcategories, like front side groomers, off piste, and so forth. When you get into those subcategories, you're talking about wider or narrower skis (wider generally works better in soft snow and powder), more or less sidecut, and, of course, the "personality differences" you're going to find across different brands. I'm an Atomic freak, and I like the feel that all Atomics have on the snow. I've pretty much skied on everything, though, and if you said "You have to use Brand X (Head, Fischer, Rossi, whatever) for the rest of your life...but we'll give you free skis for the rest of your life...", I'd say "Pick me! Pick me! I do! I do!"

Does that help any?
post #4 of 13
Thread Starter 
SkiRacer55-

It does make sense. I feel like something in the low 170's personally for me would be fine. As far as understanding brand characteristics or brand loyalty, I don't have any at this point from lack of skiing on different brands. Not any good demo shops in my town.

With regard to widths, I have been thinking something in the mid 120's tip, 75-85ish waist, 110ish tail. Seems to me that there will be enough shape to get on edge and carve and a little bigger footprint than I have now.

Ryan
post #5 of 13
I really like my dynastar legend 8ks which fit your "widths" description. I was looking for a ski that would work in the midwest and colorado though. I know it doesn't do any one thing great (and may even be a little narrow for colorado by some people's standards) but I am really happy with my purchase.
post #6 of 13
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...the difference between 167 and 170 is a wash in most cases. My guess is *somewhere* around that length will work just fine....
Not ignoring your other excellent comments I would state just the opposite about the possible difference between a 167 and 170 ski (which could be BIG depending on the two skis involved) and that demo'ing the skis is the best way to know. To wit:

Last spring I demoed a 170cm Nordica Afterburner, a 167cm Fischer Watea 84, and a 165cm Dynastar Legend 8000 (you can see my review at http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=69366). The Nodica felt like a 180cm and was way too much ski for me (I am 130lbs. and was kind of expecting this given the power and stiffness that this ski is known to have). The Fischer felt just right, while the Dynastar felt like a 160cm. In this case the difference between even 165 and 167 was huge since the difference between the skis' characteristics was dominating factor, not the lengths.

So rvf - my advice is to find a way to demo some different skis in different lengths before you make a decision. It made a big difference in my purchase and it will probably do the same for yours!

FWIW - If you can't demo the skis read some of the posts in this forum about how long or short the skis you are interested in ski vs. others. Alternatively narrow your choices down to a few models and ask for that input concerning these skis - there's a lot of members here that can give you this kind of guidance.
post #7 of 13
Thread Starter 
ski-ra

Good advice also, I will do some digging and can see your point about characteristics relative to length.

Ryan
post #8 of 13

Yep, I like your thinking...

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SkiRacer55-

It does make sense. I feel like something in the low 170's personally for me would be fine. As far as understanding brand characteristics or brand loyalty, I don't have any at this point from lack of skiing on different brands. Not any good demo shops in my town.

With regard to widths, I have been thinking something in the mid 120's tip, 75-85ish waist, 110ish tail. Seems to me that there will be enough shape to get on edge and carve and a little bigger footprint than I have now.

Ryan
...the nice thing about those kind of dimensions is that it'll also work pretty well in soft snow, which is why you're coming to Colorado, right? You cannot believe how much snow we have right now, and there's more on the way. How do I know? You know what they say..."If you want it to snow, have a ski race. If you want it to snow big time, have a downhill." Guess where I'm headed on Thursday? Answer: To Ski Cooper for 5 days of Master DH training, three DH races, and a Super G/slalom Super Combined next Monday. Right now, the weather reports for Leadville are clear and sunny every day except for snow showers on Thursday. Wuddia think the chances are of that happening? How many "As" are there in "Fat Chance"? Good luck with your ski selection...
post #9 of 13

I think we're actually in violent agreement...

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Originally Posted by ski-ra View Post
Not ignoring your other excellent comments I would state just the opposite about the possible difference between a 167 and 170 ski (which could be BIG depending on the two skis involved) and that demo'ing the skis is the best way to know. To wit:

Last spring I demoed a 170cm Nordica Afterburner, a 167cm Fischer Watea 84, and a 165cm Dynastar Legend 8000 (you can see my review at http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=69366). The Nodica felt like a 180cm and was way too much ski for me (I am 130lbs. and was kind of expecting this given the power and stiffness that this ski is known to have). The Fischer felt just right, while the Dynastar felt like a 160cm. In this case the difference between even 165 and 167 was huge since the difference between the skis' characteristics was dominating factor, not the lengths.

So rvf - my advice is to find a way to demo some different skis in different lengths before you make a decision. It made a big difference in my purchase and it will probably do the same for yours!

FWIW - If you can't demo the skis read some of the posts in this forum about how long or short the skis you are interested in ski vs. others. Alternatively narrow your choices down to a few models and ask for that input concerning these skis - there's a lot of members here that can give you this kind of guidance.
...the difference in length between a 167 and 170 in the same ski is usually pretty minimal. Across different brands, it can vary a lot, as you've noted....I hear what rvf is saying about not having any brand loyalty, but what ski-ra is saying about the differences is right on the money. You might want to consider demoing skis when you come to Colorado, because you'll find lots 'o' choices here.

And actually, sometimes, a small difference in length, even in the "same" ski, can make a big difference. For example, for this season, I picked out two pairs of race stock 2009 Atomic GS12s, 186 cm., 27 meter sidecut, fully FIS World Cup compliant for men, for Masters GS. In training in early December, I could stuff them into the turns in a standard Masters set, but it was an incredible amount of work. I got rid of both pairs and went to the 2009 Atomic GS12 in a 183 length. Totally different ski, it's a women's World Cup GS ski with a 24 meter radius and a less beefy construction and a softer plate. Skis great, and it's a completely different feel in the course...
post #10 of 13
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SkiRacer55 View Post
...the nice thing about those kind of dimensions is that it'll also work pretty well in soft snow, which is why you're coming to Colorado, right? You cannot believe how much snow we have right now, and there's more on the way. How do I know? You know what they say..."If you want it to snow, have a ski race. If you want it to snow big time, have a downhill." Guess where I'm headed on Thursday? Answer: To Ski Cooper for 5 days of Master DH training, three DH races, and a Super G/slalom Super Combined next Monday. Right now, the weather reports for Leadville are clear and sunny every day except for snow showers on Thursday. Wuddia think the chances are of that happening? How many "As" are there in "Fat Chance"? Good luck with your ski selection...
SkiRacer55 -

Thanks for rubbing it in . Just spoke with some friends this morning on their way to Vail and they were saying there is some fresh stuff out there. I have already got my days picked out for Feb. to get out there. Lots of sun right now in California. You are right about the abundance of demo skis in Colorado. I'm going to have to get a list to try out there.

Ryan
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...You are right about the abundance of demo skis in Colorado. I'm going to have to get a list to try out there.
Look into Christy Sports - they have convenient locations (i.e., ski in/out or nearly so) at the base of Copper and Keystone. Their selection is usually good (though it shrinks as the season goes on - so get yer butt to CO soon). Everytime I demo I try to find a store with a better selection (I can never seem to demo all of my top picks), but I've always ended up using Christys since the other choices seem to have even less selection. YMMV....
post #12 of 13

Bitchen...

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Originally Posted by rvf View Post
SkiRacer55 -

Thanks for rubbing it in . Just spoke with some friends this morning on their way to Vail and they were saying there is some fresh stuff out there. I have already got my days picked out for Feb. to get out there. Lots of sun right now in California. You are right about the abundance of demo skis in Colorado. I'm going to have to get a list to try out there.

Ryan
...when are you going to be at Vail? We have a big Masters race weekend there in February:

http://www.rmmskiracing.org/#self
post #13 of 13
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...when are you going to be at Vail? We have a big Masters race weekend there in February:

http://www.rmmskiracing.org/#self
Flying into GJT where my friends live on the Feb 8th, then head out Monday morning and come home Thur. the 12th. I will check out the website, thanks.
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