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post #31 of 41
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Originally Posted by ski-ra View Post
...I am going to exchange my Marmot jacket for the same model to see if that improves the lining shredding issue.
An update to my mini-Melodrama....

Backcountry.com said I shouldn't bother exchanging the jacket because they now believe that I will just end up with the same problem (they believe that the substandard material was installed in all of the Marmot jackets except the GoreTex models).

Because of this they recommended that I look at one of the TNF jackets with similar features (i.e., a zip-in liner). Since I am also having durability issues with the TNF pants I bought at the beginning of the season (another story!) I am now leaning towards living with the Marmot for the rest of the season, sending it to them to for "analysis", and hoping that I get something with similar features but stouter construction in return.

But that's just what I'm thinking today!
post #32 of 41
Some of the TNF stuff is good, some is crap. The stuff that costs $299 or more (per piece) is usually good. Just make sure you buy it on sale!

I have a TNF GoreTex XCR shell and pants that are on their 4th season (25-35 days per) and still in great shape. I take good care of them, including a seasonal Nikwax wash and repellent refresh.
post #33 of 41
I have alot of Marmot clothing around here. Jackets, fleeces and zip tnecks. It's all good quality. I also have some Cloudveil jackets and pants. I think the quality is equal if not better.

Northface is slipping in quality I think as it has gone more mainstream and less technical. Shit, even Cabelas sells it now. I'm not real fond of expensive clothing made in taiwan, Bangledesh or VietNam. That said, I have a bunch of TNF stuff that i've had for years that is still very much usable.
post #34 of 41
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Originally Posted by Lars View Post
I have alot of Marmot clothing around here. Jackets, fleeces and zip tnecks. It's all good quality. I also have some Cloudveil jackets and pants. I think the quality is equal if not better.
Cloudveil may not be better than Marmot for long - it was sold in 2005 to Spyder (I believe) and to the best of my knowledge their stuff is now being made in China too. Yeah their quality seems to still be quite good, but, not to contradict your experience, so was Marmot there for awhile after K2 bought them.
post #35 of 41
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Originally Posted by skier219 View Post
Some of the TNF stuff is good, some is crap. The stuff that costs $299 or more (per piece) is usually good. Just make sure you buy it on sale!
I'm vacillating between sticking with the Marmot for now (and sending it in at the end of the season) and trading it in for a $280 TNF Plan B jacket (not a GoreTex model and it is right at that crap line). At least with the TNF I know that I am not buying something special so I won't be dissapponted as I was with the Marmot....
post #36 of 41
At that price point the Columbia titanium stuff is just as good. And I believe they still make a number with zip in liners. In my most recent experience with Columbia titanium, the only problem was that the DWR finish was not too great. But some Nikwax wash in fixed that right up.
post #37 of 41
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At that price point the Columbia titanium stuff is just as good....
Yeah - I should have said that I am looking at both TNF and Columbia (maybe I was embarrassed that I was sinking that low in the status symbol scale, even though I've concluded that the once-lofty Marmot can now sell junk, Cloudveil is now made in China, etc.).

Actually, I almost feel that Columbia Titanium might be better at that price point since it (and the only slightly less-expensive non-Titanium stuff) is their business focus (Columbia isn't trying fool people into believing that they make "technical" mountaineering gear as opposed to TNF, which tries to sell everything to everybody, and it is unclear what products are getting their attention).

About the only negative about Columbia is that I find their designs/colors to be "cheesy". My wife's going shopping with me this weekend (I dare not choose a design/color without her) and I'll probably know thereafter what I may be replacing my Marmot junk with. Stand by if you care to follow my mini-melodrama and thanks for your input!
post #38 of 41
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Marmot's Quality Clearly Has Slipped

No more Marmot for me! I was able to get my hands on several Marmot jackets from the same line as my Tower 8 (in this case the Gunsight and Spellbound at a few retail outlets). In all cases it was clear that these garments have the same substandard lining material as mine (I won't go into detail about how I determined this...). In some of the garments there was already telltale evidence of lining damage (that's before the item even left the store)!

I can only conclude that Marmot produced thousands of garments with this substandard material. It will be interesting to see if anything about this issue turns up on this forum and/or somewhere else. This may be an isolated incident involving a single, large batch of substandard material, but for me I will be replacing my jacket with another brand shortly and staying away from Marmot gear in general for the time being. Too bad!
post #39 of 41
I have a Marmot that is only a year old. Holding up great and seemingly bullet proof.

Hope you can get your problem resolved.
post #40 of 41
I just bought the Sun Bowl jacket. I needed something for these baking blue bird days. We'll see how it lasts.
post #41 of 41
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Trekchick and mtnbikegirel:

Fortunately for you the defective material was only used on men's jackets (and probably only on this year's line). So no need to worry (you would have seen the problem immediately anyway). And like I said, it might have been an isolated incident (however large-scale it appears).

I didn't feel like waiting til the end of the season to send the jacket to Marmot and see what they might do, so (not to mention that I was pissed that they would sell this crap) I just went out shopping with my wife and bought one of the better Columbia Titanium jackets. For nearly 1/3 less the cost it has just as many features as the Marmot, a shell material that seems heavier-duty, looks just as well made, and (given that Columbia has been making this kind of gear for years and knows how to do it), hopefully wasn't made with some defective materials.

The jacket also has a western theme to it kind of like the Marmot (heck I live in CO) and has a great name - "Psycho Cowboy". Perhaps I will become a convert to the great value that Columbia stuff seems to be. More importantly I can now go back to skiing rather than shopping (which I hate)....
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