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second video to M/A

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Thanks to a member here. I'll let them identify themselves.

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post #2 of 10
ZOOOOM!!! I'll reply later. Need Sleepy. :
post #3 of 10
Skier seems comfortable at speed. Obviously having fun. Showing off to the crowd?

At the finish of the first turn to the left, skier hits a bobble...head drops forward rather than absorbing with knees like the start of the same turn.

Second turn to the right(second bump), skier engages new outside ski first. Seeing A-frame.

Using arms to help drive the turns. Could be because the arms are out to the side and need to have time to move forward. This side arm position is seen in third turn to the right...arms needed for balance(bobble), and at the side view as skier goes by. Arms should be forward...hold a ski pole at the handle and outside of the basket...wide arms!!! In front!!!

Turn to the left before going by camera...arms not in front.

All turns seem to have the inside ski engage later on edge, but also be diverging. Seen clearly in first right turn after the camera.

Areas to work on? 1 - As always...check alignment.
2 - Minor correction/big benefit....arms out front. Practice holding pole by handle and outside of basket at chest height. "Push" your poles forward at the initiation of a turn. This drives you forward and keeps your upper body moving down hill. Better for balance.
3 - Railroad tracks...same edge(bowlegged-knockkneed) at slow speed, then opposing edges....slow speed, then faster.
4 - Smile for the camera!

Good luck
post #4 of 10
Nice skiing, good angles. The videos keep getting better.

In some turns the shoulders and head are moving before the feet and legs. Cross body follow through with the hands after pole plant. This seems to create more directional moves across the skis instead of forward with the skis. All things said, many skiers would love to ski this good.

I want to help this skier find ways to initiate more at the feet, find his edge just a little earlier, and focus his directional movements down the hill or forward. Get a little longer with his outside leg, more skeletal, which might help him relax both legs more giving him the ability ot absorb and finese the terrain better, and this might the upper body relax and be a tad bit more upright.

I would slow this skier down. Play with tipping the inside foot to initiate, Starting with picking it up, moving to just relaxing and emptying it. Maybe skiing hugging himself for part of a run with the above focus.

Arms and hands and ploles. Keep the wrists showing forward, and try to always have one pole slowly moving forward initiated by the inside foot. a slow punch or extension forward of the inside hand might be a good focus.

I would like to see this skier skiing short turns, and maybe play with a funnel or an hourglass set of turns. This might help this skier focus on the above exercises and how they can add to his skiing ,and give me a better look at where to go with him.

Keetov's Railrod track and same edge turns would be great for this guy.

Thanks for the video. This is good for me.
post #5 of 10
Some background. This is Chad. (No voting or ballot jokes please) He’s 21 years old, been skiing for a long time. Lvl 1 ski instructor likes to ski fast, not a racer but likes to run gates. Video taken last December.
post #6 of 10
This skier would benefit greatly if provided with at least 2 degrees more boot cant to move knees to the outside. Then experiment to fine tune the cants. Very evident the skier is comfortable arcing a rail on the flats - yet, will bet he usually 'feels' he never gets enough edge on steeper terrain or harder snow. His ski and knee angles never match.

He 'honks' the ski quickly up on edge to begin a new rail - then hangs on. Again, very evident he has lateral boot alignment issues - needs very agressive angulation of knees/ankles to get enough stability of carving. He just won't find it on steeper terrain. (See the difference of his turns on steeper and flatter terrain? Steeps, no control - flats - finally! an edge.)

Due to alignment he needs his inside foot flat on the snow as a training wheel - the ski/knee edge alignment will not give him a comfortable enough platform to increase his angulation - he has nowhere to go. I'll bet he's a heel pusher in short turns. Can only control his speed through a skid.

Once the lateral alignment is addressed, exploring to be more progressive in his timing of increasing the edge angle throughout the entire turn, not just the beginning. Would also spend time exploring rhythm through the entire turn (pressure management)and how this will compliment his flow and his desired snow/ski accuracy. Effectively, more awareness of matching his movements in all planes to compliment the desired arc (body shaping). Oh yeah, and he can begin to learn how to feel the rudiments of carving with both skis. (Eliminating the training wheel.)
Currently, it's honk on it and hang on it. But it ain't his fault. Get cants and a good instructor who can help fine tune the alignment and expand the awareness in utilizing modern skis.
post #7 of 10
Looks like he's cranking the tail of the ski to me. Based on the unweighted ski during changes and the way the outside ski runs out right after the initiation.
First thing I'd do is check alignment. Frequently people ski like this because they're too much on edge(knee out) and the ski "overturns" and throws them off balance when they pressure the tip. Hence, they sit on the tail which doesn't turn as abruptly. Misalignment manifests itself in many strange ways and I never assume anything. I check first. I'm often surprised at what the wands tell me. It's very unusual for a man with high end gear to be "under edged"(usually the opposite)these days. I have used the method Warren Witherall reccommends in The Athletic Skier and How The Racers Ski(1984 revision) with lots of success over the years.
Once the alignment was addressed, I'd work on some exercises to get him using the front of the ski to initiate. Lately I like the traverse on the uphill ski, pointing and dropping the tip of the downill ski into the turn. I'm a big fan of anything that causes weight transfer first followed by forward leverage.(moving ahead of the feet or getting the feet underneath you)
post #8 of 10
Good comments here. Definitely agree with the alignment thoughts and also working with the feet.

If you look at the turns on the flatter section:

On the second turn to the right, (where the skier is pretty much in the middle of the picture frame going from left side of trail to right), his arms are greatly effecting his body. Drag it in slow mo and you see his left arm coming forward and a little across the body. The inside arm drops back, the inside shoulder drops back and the inside hip drops back. The outside hand is now leading and the body is coiled away from the new turn-right at the transition point. Then all of a sudden the left arm flys away clearing the path to the inside of the turn. To get to the new turn though he has to push the inside leg forward. This seems to be a characteristic of his turns- pushing the inside leg forward.

You can see this twisting in the very last turn sequence too. At the end of the turn to the left, his right arm comes in towards the body in an anticipation move. It twists him away from the new turn. Then again he shoots that inside leg forward to turn to the right and the outside ski runs off.

The arm/hand should move more in the direction of the new turn and this will help with the transition over the skis and move the hips into the turn as well. This will also lessen the "coiled up" anticipated position at the very end and begining of the new turn which forces a somewhat abrupt initiation.

Stop pushing the inside leg forward to initiate, instead think more of tipping it in and allow the turn to develop. Slow down, ski large radius turns and practice falling into the new turn. Try to do this in railroad tracks. Then tighten the radius up.

[ November 07, 2002, 11:01 AM: Message edited by: Tog ]
post #9 of 10
nice turns and i'd suggest chad participate in a few u.s.s.a. masters races this year.

Originally posted by BillA:
Some background. This is Chad. (No voting or ballot jokes please) He’s 21 years old, been skiing for a long time. Lvl 1 ski instructor likes to ski fast, not a racer but likes to run gates. Video taken last December.
post #10 of 10
I also see a guy who skis better than most skiers, is confident and playful.

I had to watch the video several times as I was getting some conflicting information from it.

I am not so sure that I see a specific alignment problems as much as I see a guy overdoing it for the camera. He seems to be trying to get big angles for the camera while lacking the real intricate inside foot work necessary to achieve the big angles in short turns on that slope. He has a wide stance, switches fast and gets on the inside ski. It takes a very very high level of skill to get big angles under those conditions.

I think its tough to say where to begin until he shows us a more relaxed skiing and tells us what his goals are. I suspect at lesser speeds he is narrower in stance, a bit static in flexsion and extention and uses a bit of upper body rotation to start the turns.

Overall a very good skier. He shows very good versatility. Enough versatility to fudge the big angles without falling down. I suspect he can ski a wide variety of conditions in reasonable comfort. I would ski with him for sure. Just my 2 cent worth.
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