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post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 
...Volkl racetiger SL @165 ( retail version).

Truly amazing edge hold. Got rid of the Atomic SL-11M w/black WC plate -- way too stiff.

Anything else I should demo?
post #2 of 29
I wouldn't waste my time on a retail slalom to be honest. The Volkl Racetiger racestock is a pretty soft ski - why choose the retail version? There are plenty of soft stock skis out there. I'd expect that a skier of your level would want race stock performance.
post #3 of 29
Thread Starter 
I'd like to do some moguls as well with them... the SL-11M's were not fun in the moguls.
post #4 of 29
I don't think I would want anything stiffer than Fischer WC SC in moguls, and while they aren't as highly strung as a racing ski like WC SL, they still perform reasonably well, and I'm sure they would be better with a 0.5 base. I'm 165 lbs and ski it in a 165 cm size. If you outweigh me you might want to try the Fischer WC SL.
post #5 of 29
I have found the Volkl race stock skis to be softer and more user friendly than the retail version. I think you'll find the WC SL to be plenty of fun in the moguls. Be gentle with them though, they tend to bend when slammed into moguls, but are easily bent back.
post #6 of 29
If you want to try something else:

Doberman SL Pro
Rossi Classic 70
post #7 of 29
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Originally Posted by BigE View Post
I'd like to do some moguls as well with them... the SL-11M's were not fun in the moguls.
I ski bumps on my Head RD SLs. They're pretty easy for a stock slalom. They're not very good for "brushed carves" though, that tip just wants to pull.
post #8 of 29
I've got race stock racetiger SL's, 160 cm. I luv em'. I would want a longer ski for bumps though. They are relatively soft in the tips, but stiff tails. Like you have found, they have incredible grip on hard snow.
JF
post #9 of 29
I ski all my SL's in bumps and don't really have much trouble with any of them... Sure there are better bump skis, but I'm not willing to sacrifice groomer performance for the occasional trip through the bumps. What was wrong with the SL11's BigE?
post #10 of 29
Thread Starter 
A) They were simply too stiff for bumps -- no fun.
B) If you are not skiing SL turns at 30 mph on a steep pitch, they do not respond -- no fun skiing with the kids.(see C and D)
C) My knees hurt after using them.
D) I'm out of shape, pushing 50 and married with children; my d!ckwaving days are over.

Besides, why would an old man want to use a ski that Bode Miller could use onthe WC tour as a daily drive?
post #11 of 29
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Originally Posted by BigE View Post
Besides, why would an old man want to use a ski that Bode Miller could use onthe WC tour as a daily drive?
If you can... why not?
post #12 of 29
Thread Starter 
I see your d!ckwaving days are in full glory.

Enjoy.
post #13 of 29
Thread Starter 
Here is the opinion of someone that skis very well:

http://www.pmts.org/pmtsforum/viewto...SL+1 1#p20800
post #14 of 29
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Originally Posted by BigE View Post
I see your d!ckwaving days are in full glory.

Enjoy.
Because I told you that you probably skied well enough to ski on the race stock version of the Volkl SL ski? Come on...
post #15 of 29
Not d!ckwaving, but that opinion sounds like someone who is biased in favour of HEAD. When I tried out the SX11 I had no trouble making it carve. It did exactly what it was told, albiet with a bit more of a meat cleaver feel than hunting knife feel to it. Stiff strong and heavy, not as easy to be precise with but still not hard to ski.

If it's a question of feel, then you might like the Fischer or Rossi.
I don't think any current full on SL ski will give you a playful ski for bumps and skiing slow with kids. Maybe last years 9S Oversize, An old Equipe 10 SC or whatever replaces it these days, or an RX8 or Supershape will, but most current full-on SLs need to be pushed to perform.

I still think an SC like mine is the best compromise.
post #16 of 29
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Originally Posted by BigE View Post
Here is the opinion of someone that skis very well:

http://www.pmts.org/pmtsforum/viewto...SL+1 1#p20800
Congrats, you can use the googly web on the internet machine. Perhaps you should have just asked him to begin with?

Here let me tell you what you actually wanted to hear: Buy the Volkl retail SL ski. End thread.

Later

Greg
post #17 of 29
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
Because I told you that you probably skied well enough to ski on the race stock version of the Volkl SL ski? Come on...
That's not d!ckwaving, this rhetorical question is:

Quote:
Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
If you can... why not?
Says that if I don't go race-stock, I can't ski it....

Thanks.
post #18 of 29
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
Here let me tell you what you actually wanted to hear: Buy the Volkl retail SL ski. End thread.
Wrong. Let me refresh your memory.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigE
Anything else I should demo?
post #19 of 29
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Originally Posted by BigE View Post
That's not d!ckwaving, this rhetorical question is:



Says that if I don't go race-stock, I can't ski it....

Thanks.
Actually it means: You can, why wouldn't you? Refer to my very first post. I've never doubted your skiing ability - hence why I steered you back toward race stock skis.
post #20 of 29
Demo:
Volkl Racetiger Racestock SL
Nordica SLR
Rossignol 9S WC
Elan SLX WC

I own a lot of Nordicas and they are my favorite ski to free ski on in the east - especially on the short hills we have around here.
post #21 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigE View Post
Here is the opinion of someone that skis very well:

http://www.pmts.org/pmtsforum/viewto...SL+1 1#p20800
Funny thing is this part sounds a lot like my Head RD SLs. "They don't carve, they cut into the snow, much to aggressive! On some snow they are absolutely impossible to make work, like the white snowmaking snow when it gets hard."

1 more ski to try Contact Groove.
post #22 of 29
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
Demo:
Volkl Racetiger Racestock SL
Nordica SLR
Rossignol 9S WC
Elan SLX WC

I own a lot of Nordicas and they are my favorite ski to free ski on in the east - especially on the short hills we have around here.
If I misread your posts, I am sorry.

Thanks!

I've been wondering about freeskiing the Nordica SLR and the Elan SLX.

If the 9S is anything like the 9S of a few years back, they are absolute noodles.

According to volklgirl, the retail volkl racetiger is stiffer than the WC model..... I don't think I really want a ski that softer than the retail version of the volkl. If was a FAR more relaxing ride than the Atomic SL-11M. That is truly a race course specific ski.

Only one vote for Fischer?
post #23 of 29
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Originally Posted by BigE View Post
Only one vote for Fischer?
I own two pairs of Fischer SL's and free skiing them isn't as fun as free skiing one of the Nordicas. I only use the Fischers to free ski if I am only making slalom turns on hard snow. They are sweet skis, but of the skis I own, they are the least versitile and most demanding... but boy will they make slalom turns.
post #24 of 29
Thread Starter 
That's great info, thanks!

Are your Fischer SL's retail or stock?
post #25 of 29
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Originally Posted by BigE View Post
That's great info, thanks!

Are your Fischer SL's retail or stock?
Stock. 06/07 and 07/08 years. The 07/08 (same as 08/09 non-hole ski) is a bit more damp thus slightly more versatile, but is also quite a bit stiffer, so tends to be a bit less tolerant of errors. If I know I'm not skiing any bumps or trees I ski my Fischers. If I think I might venture into more interesting terrain I ski my Nordica SLRs.
post #26 of 29
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
If I think I might venture into more interesting terrain I ski my Nordica SLRs.
That's the type of ski I am looking for -- SL carver and mogul capable. I'll try to find a demo pair of those.

Thanks.
post #27 of 29
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Originally Posted by BigE View Post
That's the type of ski I am looking for -- SL carver and mogul capable. I'll try to find a demo pair of those.

Thanks.
No problem. I think you'll like them a lot. They have a 14m radius which is 1m - 2m larger than any other SL ski out there. I suspect you're quite a bit heavier than I am, so you will likely find them very easy to ski on (when I first moved over to the SLR from the Elan SLX the SLR beat me up a bit). As slaloms go they are very damp and stable - almost GS-like - which is weird in a slalom ski.
post #28 of 29
+1 on the Nords. Mine were a few years older, but much damper & more versatile than my Volkls.
JF
post #29 of 29
Thread Starter 
Cool.

I'm on it.
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