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post #1 of 27
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BERLIN — A deadly skiing accident in which a woman was killed and a powerful politician narrowly survived has captivated Germany, as a seemingly straightforward human tragedy has evolved into a criminal inquiry with political ramifications in a critical election year.

http://austriantimes.at/index.php?id=10439

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...n-1228155.html
post #2 of 27
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Originally Posted by Phlogiston View Post
BERLIN — A deadly skiing accident in which a woman was killed and a powerful politician narrowly survived has captivated Germany, as a seemingly straightforward human tragedy has evolved into a criminal inquiry with political ramifications in a critical election year.

http://austriantimes.at/index.php?id=10439

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...n-1228155.html
from the article "
A leading German politician was yesterday suspected of breaking piste traffic regulations at an Austrian ski resort...

But the exact spot at which the two skiers ran into each other suggested that instead of turning right to join the merged downhill ski run, Mr Althaus had overshot and gone up the opposite piste, where he had collided with Mrs Christiandl coming down in the opposite direction. Der Spiegel magazine asked yesterday whether Mr Althaus had been like a driver "going the wrong way up a one-way street". "

I didn't know it was against regulations to ski uphill, though I am fully aware of the dangers. Remember that item the next time you thing about taking a short cut to another run or carving a circle.
post #3 of 27
The issue was not that he was going uphill, but that he went uphill onto the other trail as the two trails merged, skiing around a fence separating the trails.

BTW, he wore a helmet and the other skier didn't. He will likely fully recover, she died.
post #4 of 27
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......BTW, he wore a helmet and the other skier didn't. He will likely fully recover, she died.
That proves it. If you wear a helmet no matter what you do or how fast you go you are indestructible and will always live. You may live in prison but you live.
post #5 of 27
Also from the article...
"*Switzerland
Speed cameras were introduced in major resorts last year after more than 70,000 accidents occurred in 2007. Skiers found repeatedly going over 30kph are fined or have their ski passes confiscated. "



Please! Say it ain't so!
post #6 of 27
Bait swallowed.....

So, when somebody decides to plough into you and headbutt you with his/her helmeted head, would you rather wear a hand knit hat?
post #7 of 27
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
Also from the article...
"*Switzerland
Speed cameras were introduced in major resorts last year after more than 70,000 accidents occurred in 2007. Skiers found repeatedly going over 30kph are fined or have their ski passes confiscated. "



Please! Say it ain't so!
Telluride
Guy with a radar gun at bottom of run at the village.

Hope they use some judgement. Speed by itself means nothing, circumstances and skill are key.
post #8 of 27
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Telluride
Speed by itself means nothing, circumstances and skill are key.
Speed means how much force is applied to your body in a crash. That seems pretty important to me. I follow the the general rule, whether driving or skiing, to always assume that some idiot will do something stupid at any point. On a reasonably crowded hill that means slowing down may be the only way to avoid a very bad situation.
post #9 of 27
It seemed to me, 30kph is so slow, 18 mph? I hope we get higher speeds then that here. I'm pretty sure I go faster and and I'm old!
post #10 of 27
Salina
do you wear one of those helmets? you know the long ones with the points at the front and back, wear those really really long skiis you know the 230s. And do you only ski pointed straight down in a tuck position?
Beep Beep (well she skiis close to this fast sometimes)
post #11 of 27
Hopefully that Swiss fact bit is just a bit of bad reporting and about a particular beginner slow area, not Swiss runs in general. 18 mph is fine for an area where never evers are learning how to ski, but an 18 mph skiing speed limit on an ordinary run is ridiculous.
post #12 of 27
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30 MPH, not KPH, for the fatal accident. Times 2, since they were going in opposite directions.

"Police said both skiers had been travelling at around 30mph, resulting in a 60mph collision. But they suggested that Mr Althaus had contravened resort skiing regulations and gone the wrong way up the opposite piste."

"Althaus himself remains in hospital recovering from a fractured skull after being awakened from an artificial coma. Neurologists treating him in a clinic in Schwarzach south of Salzburg said it was likely the helmet he had been wearing had saved his life."
post #13 of 27
I think headline is not really proper one. Skier killed by politician... come on guys. Yes I agree, noone likes politicians, but he was not there on political rally, he went skiing. So it should actually be skier killed by other skier. I agree, if it was his fault, he should be responsible for this, just like anyone else would if they would do this.

Next to that... 30km/h speed limit? They must be joking, or at least someone translated/reported wrong, right? I can do almost 30km/h on flat with xc skis. Before someone jumps on me for this, I was actually competing in xc skiing for 20 years, and normally 30km race was around 1h 10mins to 1h 15mins. For alpine skiing, at least for me, speed around 80-90km/h is quite normal speed, where I don't have any problems keeping things under control. But I guess spending 2/3 of my life on skis (every year from August to April) does matter If they really implement 30km/h speed limit somewhere, then I guess I will have to find places for skiing, where they won't do such idiotic things.
post #14 of 27
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I think headline is not really proper one. Skier killed by politician... come on guys. Yes I agree, noone likes politicians, but he was not there on political rally, he went skiing. So it should actually be skier killed by other skier. I agree, if it was his fault, he should be responsible for this, just like anyone else would if they would do this.
Oh, you're offended by my headline? Consider yourself lucky.
I was originally going to call it 'Skier Killed by German'; that probably would have hurt your tender feelings even more.
post #15 of 27
I think there's a little bit of hysteria creeping in here about the 30kph speed limit.
Here's the original Swiss article from a year ago...
http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/suv...en-raser-79892

...and here's what's actually happening...
A Swissinsurance company is going round the resorts with the radar gun. They go to one run on a resort, measure people's speeds, and stop a few of them. If the person can guess what speed they were doing, to within 2kph, then they get a "prize".

In Europe we don't have the same type of ski patrol as in the US - so in beginners areas, you won't have guys standing around telling you to slow down. I guess this is just an attempt to bring in the kind of thing that's in many US resorts, but initially it's just an insurance-company sponsored experiment.
post #16 of 27
Phlogiston no I'm not offended, nor would I be, even if you would title it "Skier killed by German". I'm not politician, and I'm not German
All I did was to pointing out, that one skier was killed by another skier. And it doesn't really matter what's profession of this particular skier. If he would be brain surgeon or IT guy, would you write skier killed by doctor, or skier killed by IT technician? Or if so, why wouldn't you title it "Mom/secretary/taxi driver/or whatever her profession was, killed by politician"?
post #17 of 27
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Originally Posted by Wear The Fox Hat View Post
Here's the original Swiss article from a year ago...
http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/suv...en-raser-79892
Thanks for the link. It's pretty much exactly what I expected... someone translated whole thing wrong, then it went from one to another, and on the end, it looked like they are enforcing 30km/h speed limit
post #18 of 27
This is the other thread on the subject
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=78689
Pics of the accident area in there, for those who haven't seen it
post #19 of 27
Thread Starter 
This is an important issue for insurance companies, and for everyone who has insurance, too.
If the woman who was killed by the German Politician was smart, she had a lot of life insurance, since she did have 4 children.
And once the life insurance companies decide that skiing is truly dangerous, rates will go up for all skiers.
post #20 of 27
^^^ right Phlogiston, like an increase in insurance rates is really why you titled the thread as you did.

Whatever. I'm quite confident you had absolutely no motivation in choosing your title to the thread... it just turns out to be a lousy title.

As if anybody gives a flying rats what the guy did for a profession. I think primoz was right in bringing it up.

nonetheless...

this thread = skier vs. skier collision = death for impactee.
post #21 of 27
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once the life insurance companies decide that skiing is truly dangerous, rates will go up for all skiers.
I don't recall my basic employer provided life insurance getting that specific about my hobbies. All the currently care about is if I smoke or not. Even if they do for big money policies skiing is relatively safe relative to other hobbies. There are lots of other hobbies they could get persnickity about if they choose to spend money investigating details about potential customers:
Full Contact Mixed Martial Arts
Ice Hockey
Horseback riding or even rodeos

Fact is, you are FAR more likely to die riding a bike (bicycle) or swimming than you are skiing so I wouldn't worry too much about skiing kicking up your premiums just yet.
post #22 of 27
The dreaded Risk list to come....

Do you drive a car? .......................add Oh, just double final amount
Do you ski? ..................................add Double first amount
Are you a politician ........................add Multiply final amount by 4
Do you ride a bicycle ......................add Double again
Are you a couch potato ................add Weight issues not cov
Do you wear a helmet? .................... No? Unisurable.
Do you smoke? ............................... Want to buy an annuity?
post #23 of 27
Not "life insurance" but health insurance.

...and now I've tracked down the insurance company's website. They are an NPO.
My French is better than my German or Italian, so here's the details of the "speed events" as they call them...
http://www.suva.ch/fr/home/suvaliv/k...empoevents.htm
post #24 of 27
"Tempo" is the German word for "speed" (and the Italian for "weather")
Being a swiss company, they used "tempo" on their French page as well...
Anyway, it's a nice idea to work on prevention with a pro-active initiative rather than with a "punishing" raise of the rates...
post #25 of 27
I thought this thread would have a Kennedy somewhere in it.
post #26 of 27
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I thought this thread would have a Kennedy somewhere in it.
And a football?
post #27 of 27
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Not a congressman (CA - 44th district) with a 70's era mustache?
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