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help me decide: used 01-02 pocket rocket or new gun for utah

post #1 of 17
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i'm a intermediate to advanced skiier. i had the joy of hitting the soft powder of utah last season with a pair of salomon 1080s (176 length) and have decided to go back for more this coming month.. i'm about 80% on and 20% off piste skiier and i'm in the stage where i'm looking to improve my bump skills and better separation of upper/lower body. so after much reading on this forum, i've acquired the following:

1. used 185 salomon pocket rocket
2. 07-08 salomon gun 175

the salomon pocket rocket has a lot of appeal to me since it's a ski i've been wanting to ride for quite a number of seasons. However the gun is the new rendition and i'm curious what it feels like as well.. so my options to utah are the following:

1. mount the pocket rocket and sell the gun
2. sell the pocket rocket on the ebay and use the gun
3. mount the pocket rocket and use the gun for later seasons...


i'm torn. i have one set of bindings that i can use to mount. i don't want to spend much more money than i've already have.. what will i enjoy more??

thanks..
post #2 of 17
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anyone??
post #3 of 17
Height and weight would be kinda useful... if you want an intelligent answer, if not:

Mount the Guns ONTO the pocket rocket! That way you have a moderatly stiff ski that will perform well in the GNAR!!!

Seriously, how tall and heavy are you? The choice is 185cm or 175cm, one should be the obviously better length.
post #4 of 17
I would go with the guns, the PRs were a sweet ride in their day, but technology has improved. Neither ski is going to help you improve in the bumps and both are wider than the 1080s. The guns should by slightly stiffer than the PRs and you shouldn't loose any float with the wider 175s vs. the narrower 185 PR. The shorter length will be more manageable in trees, bumps etc. Plus you can always sell to PRs to me.
post #5 of 17
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i'm 210lbs 5'10 and a self rated ~6-7
post #6 of 17
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btw. my logic also tells me that the guns are a better mounting choice but the PRs are something i've been waiting to ride for a couple of seasons.. the tough thing is to justify the cost..

is there something magical about the PR that the guns just don't offer?
post #7 of 17
is there something magical about PR's? NO, they are not that good a ski. When they first came out they did change the industry by giving us a wider ski that was really easy to turn. They are incredibly soft flexing (many call them blue noodles), they don't hold edge well, but they are easy to ski. The PR's take no energy to ski, they are a very sloppy ski. The Gun is a big improvement on the PR, better sidecut and edge hold, better flex for stability. The Gun is still pretty soft, still easy to turn, and still a low energy ski but a big improvement
post #8 of 17
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Originally Posted by skierhj View Post
is there something magical about PR's? NO, they are not that good a ski. When they first came out they did change the industry by giving us a wider ski that was really easy to turn. They are incredibly soft flexing (many call them blue noodles), they don't hold edge well, but they are easy to ski. The PR's take no energy to ski, they are a very sloppy ski. The Gun is a big improvement on the PR, better sidecut and edge hold, better flex for stability. The Gun is still pretty soft, still easy to turn, and still a low energy ski but a big improvement
I agree. I still own a pair of 2003 185 PRs that I use as early season rock skis, but they have long since been replaced as my goto ski by other more capable skis, once there is any kind of base. Stick with the Guns.
post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by skierhj View Post
is there something magical about PR's? NO, they are not that good a ski. When they first came out they did change the industry by giving us a wider ski that was really easy to turn. They are incredibly soft flexing (many call them blue noodles), they don't hold edge well, but they are easy to ski. The PR's take no energy to ski, they are a very sloppy ski. The Gun is a big improvement on the PR, better sidecut and edge hold, better flex for stability. The Gun is still pretty soft, still easy to turn, and still a low energy ski but a big improvement
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Originally Posted by jlong1974 View Post
I agree. I still own a pair of 2003 185 PRs that I use as early season rock skis, but they have long since been replaced as my goto ski by other more capable skis, once there is any kind of base. Stick with the Guns.

that's the answer i've been waiting for.. deep down i knew that the pocket rockets were just nostalgia for me. funny how i've been wanting it for many seasons only to get it and now sell it..

time to move on..
post #10 of 17
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now i have my guns mounted and ready to go.. now the follow up question??

why are people still buying pocket rockets fetching a premium on the bay? should i let my rockets go?? <i've never rode them>
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by sapient007 View Post
i'm 210lbs 5'10 and a self rated ~6-7
At 210 lb 175 Guns look WAAAY short for you. Don't forget that Guns are twin tips, so they ski shorter than their length suggests. Also, both of these skis are wide, so they perform their best in soft snow, and that's where you will feel the lack of length. Besides, from what I heard a lot of people prefer the original PR to the Guns. I still think for you the question is moot- one of the skis is way to short for your dimensions. For comparison, I am 189lb and my wide ride is 185 cm long (and noticeably stiffer than Guns or PRs).

Alex
post #12 of 17

Ooops, too late...

You already mounted them. PRs are still the exceptionally funa nd user-friendly wide ski that can be skied almost in any conditions. I didn't like them when I tried them, but from that demo I understood why many people like them. I don't test skis often (and even this is an understatement) but my impression that there is still nothingout there quite like the original PR.

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Originally Posted by alexzn View Post
At 210 lb 175 Guns look WAAAY short for you. Don't forget that Guns are twin tips, so they ski shorter than their length suggests. Also, both of these skis are wide, so they perform their best in soft snow, and that's where you will feel the lack of length. Besides, from what I heard a lot of people prefer the original PR to the Guns. I still think for you the question is moot- one of the skis is way to short for your dimensions. For comparison, I am 189lb and my wide ride is 185 cm long (and noticeably stiffer than Guns or PRs).

Alex
post #13 of 17
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i think i may just suck it up and keep the PR as well. i'm curious as to how they ride... so when i fully retire my blue 1080s then the s912 bindings can go on the pocket rockets.
post #14 of 17
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post #15 of 17
This is just FYI. I am 5'9.5" and 146 lbs. I have the Guns in a 188 and for me it has just the right length and flex for powder skiing. I have demoed the PR in the past and I found it quicker and softer. You will have fun with either ski in powder but over time you will probably want something different.
post #16 of 17
New Guns vs used PR's with their nice deteriorated soft foam cores? Hmm that's a tough one.

Owned PR's, skied Guns. Like others have said, PR's were groundbreaking in their time, but that was a ways back. PR's might still have a tiny edge in bumps, cuz they're so soft, but otherwise Guns cleaned up most of the stability issues afflicting PR's. have several intermediate buddies who ski them all over the mountain happily. Neither ski is for bombing down hardpack, though; if you ski 80% on-piste, assume you have another ski for that?
post #17 of 17
I took my 185cm Pocket Rockets out recently. Even by today's standards, they are a very good, easy turning powder ski. They are also fun on non-icy groomers & non-tight moguls. They do suck if you want to initiate a turn on the tips of your skis (which I do on hard snow in steep terrain) or if you tend to drive the tips of your skis on groomers. I'd take them along for powder days. You'll really enjoy them.
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