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post #1 of 31
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Having just returned from the best powder day I've had around here in a couple years, I was walking out the door of the chalet to head to the lift when I overheard a couple guys complaining to a Patroller that the hills hadn't been groomed yet, and just when were they going to do so?

Are you $hitting me?
post #2 of 31
You must be at Park City.

That same thing happens every where. Not everyone knows how to ski powder.

As long as you have been around, I'm surpised you haven't heard that before.

Hey wait a minute, it's only 1:20 PM on the east coast of the US, why aren't you out there still skiing...you better be in Euorpe.
post #3 of 31
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity View Post
You must be at Park City.

That same thing happens every where. Not everyone knows how to ski powder.

As long as you have been around, I'm surpised you haven't heard that before.

Hey wait a minute, it's only 1:20 PM on the east coast of the US, why aren't you out there still skiing...you better be in Euorpe.
Everything got tracked out by noon and i had paperwork here to get caught up on. Plus the fact, I gotta ski again tonight. My Wife is the ski advisor with our local school System. I'll be on the boards again around 6 this evening. Had to save some leg.

I've heard it before ya, but it always shocks me when I do.
post #4 of 31
Don't you just want to walk up to people like that and slap them upside the head?
post #5 of 31
Just be glad you're surrounded by gapers. The freshies will be yours for the plunderin'... Now get out there and show 'em how to crush a fresh foot.
post #6 of 31
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Ya, it's New York and people don't get to ski enough powder to get used to. Plus the fact that holimont is like the Yellowstone Club of the East. It's a private ski area that just opens to the public on weekdays. Much to the chagrin of the "Hoitytoities" in their million dollar chalets.
post #7 of 31
Bigger areas SHOULD groom the easier terrain and some intermediate stuff, if you have people on vacation who are paying top dollar, they should have some runs that make them feel good about the sport. I'm not a fan of 'over grooming', skiing should be as natural as possible (yeah, right), but tourist should enjoy their vacation. grooming easier terrain doesn't diminish the experience for more advanced (or adventurous... big difference) skiers.
post #8 of 31

Bite your tongue!

Do you have any idea how much easier it is to teach newbies in freshies?
post #9 of 31
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
Bigger areas SHOULD groom the easier terrain and some intermediate stuff, if you have people on vacation who are paying top dollar, they should have some runs that make them feel good about the sport. I'm not a fan of 'over grooming', skiing should be as natural as possible (yeah, right), but tourist should enjoy their vacation. grooming easier terrain doesn't diminish the experience for more advanced (or adventurous... big difference) skiers.

He's absolutely correct.

1- its what keep tourist dollars coming
2- keeps those who can't ski pow off the runs they leave untouched which really means more for us.

PS- my favorite term overheard for groomers was "snow plows"
post #10 of 31
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Originally Posted by Lars View Post
Having just returned from the best powder day I've had around here in a couple years, I was walking out the door of the chalet to head to the lift when I overheard a couple guys complaining to a Patroller that the hills hadn't been groomed yet, and just when were they going to do so?

Are you $hitting me?
Maybe he should have pointed them to the nicely groomed parking lot?

I talked to a buddy who went to Utah a few weeks ago, and he told me his legs were shot after just an hour or two every day from skiing in the powder. I asked what he was skiing on, and he was using downhill racing skis that were 64mm wide under his foot.
Even I know better than that!!!!
post #11 of 31
I agree with Whiteroom.

I ski at an area that has an enormous amount of terrain that's never been groomed but we also have a lot of runs that are groomed every 24 hours.

When it snows here - which is often - there are a lot of skiers who have never skied that stuff before. If it snows AFTER the machines groomed the run the night before, that run quickly becomes - for those who have never skied powder or crud - a nightmare of dense clumps of snow separated by scraped-off slick spots. That's when those less-experienced skiers start asking when someone is going to groom the run.

Not everybody is an expert.
post #12 of 31
+ 1 more vote for "some" grooming. As much as I love the rare instances of skiing deep fluff I wouldn't want to do it ALL day. Though it is probably easier now on fatter skis, I still recall that it is pretty physically demanding and I'd probably do well with a break after a couple hours. After lunch I might not have enough left to ski the deep but would like to cruise a bit more. If nothing else is groomed that option isn't there.
post #13 of 31
I can see a beginner wanting some groomed runs, and IMHO Snowbird does a good job at that.

What I don't get is the people I heard on the lift (Gad II ) on wednesday complaining that the powder had a crust. LOL. There *was* a thin windblown layer in *some* spots, BUT IT WAS ONE OF THE BEST POWDER DAYS OF THE YEAR SO FAR! ( Silly people! )
post #14 of 31
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Originally Posted by Virtus_Probi View Post
Maybe he should have pointed them to the nicely groomed parking lot?

I talked to a buddy who went to Utah a few weeks ago, and he told me his legs were shot after just an hour or two every day from skiing in the powder. I asked what he was skiing on, and he was using downhill racing skis that were 64mm wide under his foot.
Even I know better than that!!!!
Excuse me...........some of us like the agony of defeat & the thrill of victory. On pow-pow daysI go wide 76mm. Course we have to endure the PNWet conditions which are so much easier to ski than Utah.
post #15 of 31
that was some great snow today. i was across the way at holiday valley. amazing how a foot of powder can make everyone around here forget how to ski. the best thing i saw all day, maybe ever, was this guy straightlining the morningstar run in a tuck, barely in control, and when he finally decided it was time to turn, he turned right into the field of seeded bumps on the side at about 40mph. he must never have been there before, because they always put those bumps there.
post #16 of 31
I was out last night and it was certainly good. Wish I could have been there today for some fresh.
post #17 of 31
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Originally Posted by epl View Post
this guy straightlining the morningstar run in a tuck, barely in control, and when he finally decided it was time to turn, he turned right into the field of seeded bumps on the side at about 40mph. he must never have been there before, because they always put those bumps there.
LOL, there's nothing funnier (and scarier) than someone getting tossed around in the bumps completely out of control. I hope the guy was OK,
post #18 of 31
Private club? Undoubtedly there would be more squawking if they groomed it. You can't please all the people all the time. Snowtime is for the skiers.
post #19 of 31
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
LOL, there's nothing funnier (and scarier) than someone getting tossed around in the bumps completely out of control. I hope the guy was OK,
yeah, he was ok. total yard sale though. he wasn't being tossed around in the bumps, the first one he hit sent him flying. he had no idea they were there. he's lucky he didn't manage to hang on, he probably would have ended up going into the trees if he did.
post #20 of 31
Yeah, I heard you E'villers were going to get nailed. We had 3-4 inches at Bristol yesterday to help cover the rained on stuff from Wed., but not much today. The Eastern powder sure clears the slopes off fast because so many can't ski it.
post #21 of 31
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
Bigger areas SHOULD groom the easier terrain and some intermediate stuff, if you have people on vacation who are paying top dollar, they should have some runs that make them feel good about the sport. I'm not a fan of 'over grooming', skiing should be as natural as possible (yeah, right), but tourist should enjoy their vacation. grooming easier terrain doesn't diminish the experience for more advanced (or adventurous... big difference) skiers.
I understand the need for groomed trails guys. Really.

What's nicer about Holimont than Holiday Valley is they don't have any night skiing. Therefore everything is groomed up in the early evening instead of the middle of the night. What that means is the new snow has a much longer time to accumulate. At least 6 or 7 more hours on average. Definitly deeper on powder days. In Lake Effect storms like last night, that can mean an additional 8 inches or so.

I don't think Holimont has the staff and capacity to groom during skiing hours, nor do I consider that being safe. I've seen Holiday Valley do it on rare occasions. When I Patrolled there that was always a nightmare.

I've been at Beaver Creek and Breckenridge when they are grooming during the day. I think that is so dangerous. I think it's a disaster waiting to happen.
post #22 of 31
A few weeks ago, we had amazing snow conditions at our home hill.
About 1/2 hr after we started skiing, I went to the car to get my mittens when I saw a couple leaving, and they were complaining that there was too much snow!!!!
Hellllloooooo!
post #23 of 31
Too much snow is the call of the tourists in Colorado. We get a powder day, the locals are salivating to ski the fresh and inevitably some yahoo from somewhere else stars complaining that they didn't pay to come here and ski ungroomed runs and deep snow.

Hey, they need to do some grooming on powder days, there need to be some runs that they scrape all of the goodness off of. But, no Mr. Starter jacket and blue jeans they don't groom the trees, they don't groom the bowls. The groomers are that way, now stop wasting my time so I can get some freshies
post #24 of 31
Probably racers. Even the World Cup racers complain about snow on the course.
post #25 of 31
I enjoy the soft snow as much as the next guy but when it gets so cut up and mounded that you get huge piles with hardpack around them later in the day, I'd probably rather it just be groomed. Though when it gets like this, it's best to get off the marked runs anyway.
post #26 of 31
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
Probably racers. Even the World Cup racers complain about snow on the course.
Bunch of whiners; they should just suck it up! Real racers, the Chinese Downhill racers, don't get manicured courses.

(really not fair to racers when course conditions change so much from start to end of race though)

I can remember being very disappointed when I showed up at the ski hill the day after a big dump. It had snowed all the previous day and halfway through the night, but I could not get to the hill that day. When I finally got there their in the morning, THEY HAD GROOMED EVERY RUN! If you want to ski deep snow in the east, you have to go when it's snowing.
post #27 of 31
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Originally Posted by skierhj View Post
Too much snow is the call of the tourists in Colorado. We get a powder day, the locals are salivating to ski the fresh and inevitably some yahoo from somewhere else stars complaining that they didn't pay to come here and ski ungroomed runs and deep snow.
I have a friend who skied aspen. When i asked her what it was like, she said "terrible, the powder was so deep." She was serious.
post #28 of 31
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Originally Posted by manchester81 View Post
I have a friend who skied aspen. When i asked her what it was like, she said "terrible, the powder was so deep." She was serious.

I know, it is amazing to me that everytime it snows there are lots of people who really get upset that there is snow on the mountains. They do make a pretty decent attempt to do some grooming even on epic days but when there are 11-12 new inches falling constantly it's pretty much impossible to groom. Kinda funny really. On powder days we know that most of the tourists will stay in town and not ski. The shops love the snow because it means they'll do big business. The locals love it because we'll know 75% of the skiers especially up in the Cirque or in Highlands.
post #29 of 31
Sometimes,

when I'm riding the chair,

I'm looking at the grooming, and thinking

WTF is wrong with these people?

Why can't they overlap their passes?

How am I supposed to go 80 on those cookies?

Goddammit.

Really, I do think that sometimes.

Sometimes I really do want my snow nicely groomed.

Sometimes.
post #30 of 31
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Originally Posted by Taylormatt View Post
Don't you just want to walk up to people like that and slap them upside the head?
Ugh. My hill. They won't open the top after a dump until they've groomed the (two) runs. Sometimes takes them half the day.

And Sam, is that haiku? Really quite elegant.
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