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2009 HEAD Monster iM88 review

post #1 of 126
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Okay let me start off by saying that I have never skied a fat or mid-fat ski prior to this. All the skis I have skied in my life have been for carving or racing. So with that in mind…..

The skis: 09’ HEAD Monster iM88, 175cm
Bindings: 09' HEAD LD 12, no RF
Boots: 08' HEAD Raptor RD150 set to 130
Tune: factory edge tune. Waxed, hot-boxed and brushed out by me.

My specs:
Height: 5’11”
Weight: 190 lbs
Skiing style: fast and faster
Skiing location: North East, groomers primarily.
Test location: Mt. Snow VT, Mix of powder, crud, ice, and hardpack…..a real mess.
Other ski’s in current quiver: (All HEAD) 05’ iGS RD 185cm, 06’ iSL RD 165cm, 08’ SS iSpeed 177cm, 03’ ic300 177cm.


Bottom line….I love these skis. There I said it. After a lifetime of skiing skinny skis, I had what I can only describe as a brilliant skiing day.

After countless positive reviews about these skis I decided to purchase them untested as a tool for what had been the most challenging conditions for my abilities, that being crud and yes powder. No more, I have never skied any skis with such ease and confidence…never!

Contrary to all that I have read, the skis feel very light, which made them very nimble and in spite of their width, very quick edge to edge; where they seemed to be happiest. The lightness made its larger-than-I- am-accustomed-to size, feel small, or rather average. Many have stated that these skis ski big, I did not have that feeling at all. After getting over the initial “wow these things are wide” I quickly got accustomed to them and in no time they felt like old friends, I did not at any time feel hindered by their width.

Another pleasantry was the lack of a plate….I cant remember the last time I skied anything without some sort of system or race plate, I felt much more connected and in control of the skis without them, which was a real surprise to me….BTW for my ability and size the DIN should be set at 9.5, since I was new to this whole thing I preferred to lower it and be safe, so I skied at 8…I had no surprises, things held firm, kudos to Head/Tyrolia

Perhaps it was due to their “mystique” which was actively being played back in my head over and over as I skied or maybe they are really just that good, but I have never been able tackle crud or groomers for that matter with the confidence and ease that I did with these skis. Balance fore and aft felt perfect, I was able to almost lean over the front of the skis while carving and just pop from side to side, carve to carve, at high speeds, connected, with almost no exertion, whereas as I normally feel quite a quad burn from a lack of such balance. Stability was excellent, float was also excellent. As their intended use design would suggest, uneven terrain was easily traversed with these skis, deflections were greatly minimized to what I am accustomed to. As has been mentioned by others, their width may not lend them to be the best choice for moguls. Their light weight (to me) made them feel right for taking air. The only place where I did find a weakness was in frozen granular at high speed…not ice, but the super packed hard snow, that looks like pavement and that nary leaves a mark even when one attempts to carve on it. The run was a black diamond, a steep, but short run, I attacked it at full speed, it was empty, the skis chattered with every edge change; but this may simply have been from my lack of abilities and not the skis performance (or maybe as Atomicman often suggests I need to change the tune to a 3* side bevel), aside from that these skis can truly do it all…or at least all that I need them to do. Where I not such a gear monger I could sincerely dump all my other skis and just keep these, they are that good.

After a full day of a crowded and snow-board infested mountain the top sheets were still looking like new in spite of some lift line shenanigans, they have a nice and durable finish.

All in all, these skis look awesome, ski awesome, and are now my favorite skis….two people asked me about them on the lift.

PS: I was able to run my new Super Shape iSpeeds in similar conditions and I liked the Monsters better…I think this may be mostly due to the weight difference, the SS feel almost like they weight double what the Monsters weigh.

Highly recommended A+++
post #2 of 126
Richie - nice review. Although, I was fully expecting to read your on-snow review back around Thanksgiving

I have the im88's (186) and agree with your assessment, especially how they make skiing crud almost effortless. They blast through chop and make it feel almost like a groomer. I like them so much, they have become my every-day ski here in Utah.

Also, I knew they had GS type performance on groomers, but did not realize how good until I tried them in the Nastar course last week. I made 2 runs and both were Platinum (< 10 handicap). Probably not as quick as my race skis, but pretty darn good.
post #3 of 126
Thanks Richie, great review. I'm thinking about a pair for next season.
post #4 of 126
Great skis, and wise choice on the bindings and the flat mount. Thanks for the writeup.
post #5 of 126
Congrats & nice review.

I skied the 175 & 186cm size and ended up buying a 183cm Monster 82. Its the alternative for those who want a longer ski than the 175 and don't need to go up to a 186cm.

Michael
post #6 of 126
Richie - Where did you mount bindings?

Jon
post #7 of 126
Thread Starter 
Bindings were mounted factory center I guess....I did not specify.
post #8 of 126
So this ski is magical and loved by all that ski it. What's in the secret sauce that makes this ski the creme de la creme??
There is true consensus that its the best by everybody that skis it, and many of those have a pretty substantial quiver for comaprison.

What's the best deal out there on this ski with binding?
post #9 of 126
Thread Starter 
I got a special deal on mine from The Startingate, but our very own Whiteroom has good deals on them as well.
post #10 of 126
roundturns, lest you think this is a miracle ski, it is a little beefy in powder and doesn't have quite a delicate touch in soft snow. Something like a Watea 84/94 strikes me as an example of a ski that is better choice in powder and soft snow (the tradeoff is hard snow performance). They all do well in crud.
post #11 of 126
I find the 82's more versatile & lively in comparison the 88's which I find quite a bit stiffer. Both will rip big gs turns through any snow condition. But the 88's are a handful in the moguls vs the 82 which are quite skiable moguls. Also the 82's are more maneuverable in tight spaces. Some of it may depend upon your weight. I'm only 135lbs so your mileage may vary...
post #12 of 126
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Originally Posted by skier219 View Post
roundturns, lest you think this is a miracle ski, it is a little beefy in powder and doesn't have quite a delicate touch in soft snow. Something like a Watea 84/94 strikes me as an example of a ski that is better choice in powder and soft snow (the tradeoff is hard snow performance). They all do well in crud.
Pretty much agree on your assement of the 88. The 88 is more of a fat GS ski that rips the crud and groomers with speed. Works great in just about any sort of crud, cut up, corn or soft chalk. But IMO, the flex is soft enough to give some amount versatility in turn shape and pretty good slow speed manners off piste (assuming you're not a light weight). It's still a bit of a bottom feeder in untracked blower and is good but not great on real ice (midatlantic). I have wanted an excuse to get one of these in my quiver for a long time but have to plead mad over lap.

I honestly think that if you want a soft snow ski... there must be something better than the Watea 94.
post #13 of 126
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
All in all, these skis look awesome, ski awesome, and are now my favorite skis….two people asked me about them on the lift.
Highly recommended A+++
So... how many days did you ski on this ski to come to this conclusion?
post #14 of 126
Thread Starter 
One day is all it took, the conditions were so varied that I had everything but slush to test them on. I was on the skis for 6hrs; granted some of that time was waiting for the lift and having lunch but a long ski day nonetheless.
post #15 of 126
I just pulled the trigger and bought the Monster 88 at 175cm iin last years model. I paid 350 for an unused pair from craigslist in slc utah. He mentioned that he has another pair in the 163 cm lenght. Does anybody know if there is any significant difference in the 09 vs 08 model except for the metal tips on the tips and tails and the graphics?
post #16 of 126
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post
It's still a bit of a bottom feeder in untracked blower
You can ski blower pow on a 185cm race stock GS and it doesn't matter much: as long as the ski is stable, you are going to go through that snow like crap through a goose. It isn't until the snow turns to some cut up-stuff, or gets heavy, where you really notice the 2x4's or submarines you are skiing on

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post #17 of 126
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Originally Posted by David Hecht View Post
I just pulled the trigger and bought the Monster 88 at 175cm iin last years model. I paid 350 for an unused pair from craigslist in slc utah. He mentioned that he has another pair in the 163 cm lenght. Does anybody know if there is any significant difference in the 09 vs 08 model except for the metal tips on the tips and tails and the graphics?
Just cosmetics.
post #18 of 126
Richie-Rich: Where I not such a gear monger I could sincerely dump all my other skis and just keep these, they are that good.

I don't quite understand this. While I never skied the Monster 88, I had a lot of time on the Monster 82, which many compared to a mid-fat GS ski. Well, it does not come even close to a real GS ski (I am talking about hardpack skiing).

I recently bought a pair of Salomon Equipe 10 2V GS skis in 175cm because they were only $250 with bindings (all new) and I could not pass up the deal. I only weigh 160 lbs, so at 175cm they are plenty of ski for me. Besides I wanted something longer and less turny than the SL skis I have been skiing in the last few years.

Having spent a few days on my GS skis, I am amazed how rock solid they can be on Eastern hardpack compared to any mid-fat (not to mention fat) ski. They lock into a carve and hold on like they are glued to the snow. Also due to their increased swing weight they are smooth and stable at higher speeds. Sure they are a pain in short turns, but then I would never confuse them with my iSupershapes SL skis.

Anyway, I just don't understand how you could dump all you wonderful skis and just use the Monster 88. It is like dumping the BMW 330, Ferrari and Lamborghini in favor of the new Hummer.
post #19 of 126
Thread Starter 
I would say the iM88 is more like an Audi S6 than a HUMMER....I had a HUMMER.

The 88s might not carve under race conditons as my race stock GS skis, but its does such a good job at everything, and at more things than the GS skis, that if not racing, I would have no need for other skis, really.

PS I did not get to try them in the gates, next time out I will run them in NASTAR and see how it goes.
post #20 of 126
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
I would say the iM88 is more like an Audi S6 than a HUMMER....I had a HUMMER.

The 88s might not carve under race conditons as my race stock GS skis, but its does such a good job at everything, and at more things than the GS skis, that if not racing, I would have no need for other skis, really.

PS I did not get to try them in the gates, next time out I will run them in NASTAR and see how it goes.
I don't doubt you know the difference between an S6 and a Hummer, but you have no feel for skis if you are making that comparison. I'm sure IM88 are really nice skis but you skied on them for 1 day and had new equipment syndrome, it's happened to all of us. After many days on all your race skis and the IM88s you'll come to see the limitations of the 88s for the type of groomer skiing you like to do. JMO.
post #21 of 126
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Originally Posted by Eric S View Post
I don't doubt you know the difference between an S6 and a Hummer, but you have no feel for skis if you are making that comparison. I'm sure IM88 are really nice skis but you skied on them for 1 day and had new equipment syndrome, it's happened to all of us. After many days on all your race skis and the IM88s you'll come to see the limitations of the 88s for the type of groomer skiing you like to do. JMO.
I have to complaltly disagree with the last 2 posters!!


As many here know i am a slalom race ski whore and have access to many Gs and Slalom Race Stock and I also own the i.Supershape speed in a 177 and the i.sl RD in a 166. Also most know me to be less fond of wider ski then many posters. (the 88 is the widest ski I own and ski on regularly)

When tuned properly the i..m 88 (by the way I have had mine for 3 season, so none of that "NEW SKI "Syndrome)absolutly holds and and carves like a Gs race ski.

the issue is all about the tune. Heads factory tunes are severely over beveled on the base (2-3 degrees) and are severley underbeveled on the side edge.

Tuning the 82 or 88 to a true 1 degree base bevel and true 3 degree side edge transforms these skis into a couple of hardpack carving machines. Are they as totally bulletproof as an i.sl Rd or and i.Gs RD. Well, no. But as close as you can get with an 82 & 88mm waisted ski! And the 3 degree side edge has no downside in the soft snow. But don't forget the base bevel is the heart and soul of ski performance tuning.


With a 19.2 M radius in a 175 (the 88)no they are not going to carve totally like a 13m 65mm waisted slalom race ski. But if you tune them right, you'll be pleasantly surprised.

By the way richie, my older boy ran a USSA Super-G course on his 88 the other day (He is currently helping coach J3's here) and loved 'em! Of course he is on the 186!

I also understand we are out here in the Great PNW and don't really get as much of the hard hard snow as you guys do.

But out there maybe I'd even go with a 4 degree side edge!!!!
post #22 of 126
I do agree that a good tune will do wonders for any ski. And for the way most of us ski, a well tuned Monster 82 or 88 is probably just as good as a GS ski, because we might not reach the limits of these skis on a regular basis. I certainly don't.

But if we occasionally push the limits, I would think the difference does become more clear. It is the same with GS vs SL skis. Sure we can argue that the iSupershape can pump out good GS turns, but the stability of the Equipe 2V makes it much more comfortable and confidence inspiring to push the limits. Conversly, in short turns the Equipe 2V has too much bulk and too little sidecut to challenge the iSupershape.

Anyway, I was talking about the finer characteristics of the skis when I made my post. Mediocre skiers won't feel the difference and very good skiers (like you) will know how to manage them.
post #23 of 126
Thread Starter 
Follow-up

Brought out the 88s yesterday at Hunter. Even though I knew that the conditions were calling for a carver, being that the 88s are so versatile, I decided to run them anyway. The conditions were hard packed powder everywere, it was the perfect day to go fast and the snow was as perfect for carving as can be. My wax was spot on, the skis accelerated very quickly. I decided to really push things and with much speed began some deep carving, knuckles dragging on the ground variety.

So I found these skis' limits.

Everytime I would do my best impression of a WC skier the skis would skip and bounce on the snows surface....similar to chatter but lower frequency. At very high speeds over 50mph (per my speedo, my average speed was 46.7 mph, max was over 65) the skis felt like they were a bit less stable than my speed and race skis. This all happend with the factory tune. With significantly more pressure on the shovel this was reduced but the position did not feel natural.

Next I am going to tune as per Atomicman's advice and see if things are the same. Nevertheless the skis are fantastic, confidence inspiring as long as you arent trying to do extremely deep carving.
post #24 of 126
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
At very high speeds over 50mph (per my speedo, my average speed was 65.4 mph) the skis felt like they were a bit less stable .
Are you talking about your drive up to Hunter?
post #25 of 126
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Are you talking about your drive up to Hunter?
LOL...nope I have one of those ski speedometers.

Made a correction I mixed up the numbers....Max was 65.4. Avg was 46.7
post #26 of 126
65 mph?

Many skiers barely hit that speed on GS courses, so I am having a very hard time imagining that. What exactly is a ski speedometer? How does it work?
post #27 of 126
I noticed the same thing with my iM82 last week -- at a high enough speed, a less than perfect carve (ie, some skidding, even a tiny bit) would set up a low frequency chatter that was pretty intense. It knocked me over one time. Sometimes it would affect the downhill/outside ski, sometimes the uphill/inside ski, which was weird. I was planning to re-establish the edge angles next time I tune. When running a stone over the edges by hand one night, I could feel the side angle change from tip to mid-section to tail, so that's a red flag right there. Heads have been known to have erratic factory tunes in recent years.
post #28 of 126
Skinny skis are just a crutch on hard snow and ice.
post #29 of 126
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What exactly is a ski speedometer? How does it work?
You put it in your pocket, ski a run, pull it out, and close your eyes and shake it. It gives you your speed just like a magic 8 ball.

I just love these Bode like stories. Does anyone have another one to tell before I head off to bed?
post #30 of 126
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
Follow-up

Brought out the 88s yesterday at Hunter. Even though I knew that the conditions were calling for a carver, being that the 88s are so versatile, I decided to run them anyway. The conditions were hard packed powder everywere, it was the perfect day to go fast and the snow was as perfect for carving as can be. My wax was spot on, the skis accelerated very quickly. I decided to really push things and with much speed began some deep carving, knuckles dragging on the ground variety.

So I found these skis' limits.


Everytime I would do my best impression of a WC skier the skis would skip and bounce on the snows surface....similar to chatter but lower frequency. At very high speeds over 50mph (per my speedo, my average speed was 46.7 mph, max was over 65) the skis felt like they were a bit less stable than my speed and race skis. This all happend with the factory tune. With significantly more pressure on the shovel this was reduced but the position did not feel natural.

Next I am going to tune as per Atomicman's advice and see if things are the same. Nevertheless the skis are fantastic, confidence inspiring as long as you arent trying to do extremely deep carving.
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Originally Posted by skier219 View Post
I noticed the same thing with my iM82 last week -- at a high enough speed, a less than perfect carve (ie, some skidding, even a tiny bit) would set up a low frequency chatter that was pretty intense. It knocked me over one time. Sometimes it would affect the downhill/outside ski, sometimes the uphill/inside ski, which was weird. I was planning to re-establish the edge angles next time I tune. When running a stone over the edges by hand one night, I could feel the side angle change from tip to mid-section to tail, so that's a red flag right there. Heads have been known to have erratic factory tunes in recent years.
A. I'm affiliated with Head so take this for whatever it's worth... inconsistent tunes on out-of-the-wrapper skis are hardly an issue that applies only to Head skis. The shop I do business with carries six major brands and a couple of niche brands and their techs will tell you that this "problem" extends across the spectrum. That said, I don't understand why anyone would ski a hard-snow performance ski right out of the wrapper. Head or whoever. Tune 'em before you use 'em.

B. As for speed limits on any ski... if it isn't tuned properly you haven't found the speed limit.
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