Originally Posted by JoeUT
people who buy an SUV and think I am bigger and dont have to drive better are the real douches.
also the 2wd SUV or the 4wd suvs without snow tires are breaking the law just as much as me but they can slip by alot easier.
honestly the chain laws in LCC are way to nanny state. I broke the law countless times many times when the road was clear top to bottom. I did it because it was the easiest way for me to get up and down canyon. Ask the people who used me to get up there I am safer and better driver than nearly anyone else.
when and if I return Ill break the law just out of principle.
I believe that you miss the entire point. What you do based upon your own experience and decisions is your business. Though breaking the law "just to prove a point" is pretty lame and toolish especially considering that you ARE putting others at risk regardless of your hero stories of grandeur--hiking up LCC in a t-shirt and tennis shoes with 3 infants strapped to your back and a sprained knee to boot--all it takes is ONE slip, so I really don't care how many times you've logged up and down the road. It's still stupid.
Now the reason I posted is not so much arguing with what you're doing, but questioning the intelligence of giving others the same advice. It's about as clever as venturing into the backcountry without any gear by yourself and then saying since you got away with it, it's safe for others to try. Stamp of Approval. (Terrible Advice)
As for your argument about people that buy SUVs and think they're "bigger and badder"--I agree, more important than what you drive is using judgement and driving carefully. Part of using judgment is obeying the law and following safety precautions. And a bigger part is not to encourage others to flaunt it just because you got away with it regardless of how much "better" you know. I'm pretty sure UT DOT/police could tell plenty of stories of people that "knew better" then they.
you need to learn how to quote.
plus I was pullled over multiple times for it, and I actually told the cops how ridiculous the law was everytime hoping to be arrested so I could fight the damn thing and try my best to get something stupid changed.
the best one was getting pulled over in the parking lot of snowbird. The cop said "a 2wd without chains cant drive up there"
I responded "a 2wd without chains did just drive up there".
he actually walked away and didnt come back.
the worst was being asked to turn around 100 yards in and then getting a 600 dollar ticket. fought that in court and won but didnt get to raise the stink I was hoping for.
the difference is, a fwd with posi traction has just as many wheel driving the car as a 4wd car. If you dont understand why or how please dont respond. You should be able to get waiver based on tires, modifications to the car.
In my case studded snow tires, and an aftermarket LSD(limited slip differential aka posi traction). and I did carry chains all the time and did chain up when I deemed appropiate not when the road was clear or a couple inches of snow on the road.
FWD car = 1 wheel drive
FWD car with posi traction = 2 wheels actually drive
4wd car = 2 wheels actually driving the car
4wd drive car with a rear lock = 3 wheel drive
AWD car = 4 wheel drive
my car has just many drive wheels as a 4wd car in fact mine is better since the diff I use send power to wheels with more grip and not the wheels with less grip which is how the average 4wd car works.