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post #31 of 49
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Originally Posted by brave ulysses View Post
Unfortunately the underage fee for the rental cars may make it prohibitive..... we are only 23... turn 24 the week after our trip.

My gf was able to rent a car without the fee in the spring through enterprise with her military ID but supposedly the rental car companies are only suppose to waive the fee if she is on official orders :-\
I was in the military for 20 years and have worked for the Federal government for 6 more years since I got out and travel on official business a lot. I haven't had a rental car company ask for official orders since the early 80's. Just reserve the car by asking for the military/government rate - they'll ask for ID but I doubt they'll ask for orders. I did this last April in SLC when I combined a conference with a weekend of skiing with BWPA at Snowbird. You might also check with the MWR place (not sure what they call it these days, I've been out for 6 years) at her base. They might be able to book it for you at the lower rate. Also, check with the MWR at the Air Force Base in Ogden (Hill AFB?). They used to have discounted rates on lift tix and will mail them to you so you don't have to go up there to pick them up.
post #32 of 49
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Originally Posted by epl View Post
i don't know about australian credit card companies, but here in the us, a lot of credit cards come with rental car insurance. maybe worth checking with your credit card issuer to see what they offer. the insurance the rental companies offer is mostly a scam. last time i rented a car in slc, it cost me around $120 for the week for a compact (pt cruiser).
No, we don't get that. Some credit cards have thrown-in travel insurance, but not mine.

I have thought about just not getting the insurance, but it's too big a risk. What if something happens?
post #33 of 49
" WildBillD, you're right about front wheel drive. I had a chevy malibu through canada on a ski trip many years ago, Front wheel drive and squishy low profile tyres, and it got through and over everything. Other cars were struggling around in the carpark, and it just went. I have a lot of snow driving experience but still, it put it all into perspective."

I have to disagree with you guys on that. Maybe if you have a lot of experience and a high comfort level driving in snow, but if you're coming from an area where you're not accustomed to it, I would just go for the 4WD/AWD. I moved out west a couple of years ago with some winter driving experience (albeit nothing like what we get out here). Originally, I struggled with a FWD and purchased a 4WD and wouldn't go back.

If I were coming in out of town, I'd recommend spending the extra $$ on 4WD and AWD. Just my two cents.
post #34 of 49
"Did you chain up?
Why is it ignorant cheap douches like you think that the chains or 4 wheel drive only doesn't apply to them. I don't know why the sheriff doesn't issue tickets at the bottom for you *******s who endanger others lives.
As for leaving Pc for the cottonwoods it's the terrain stupid with a healthy dose of more snow.
Have you considered this mode of transpo?"

LMAO--I was thinking something along these same lines, but tried to tone it down and keep it cordial. I will never quite understand this mentality. It seems like some people think it's cool to travel in sketchy, risky ways. And it's bad enough to do it yourself, but why recommend it for others? Just what we need is a bunch of out-of-staters who never drive in snow running around thinking they can tackle any mountain with a FWD and no provisions. Come on.

The other day I was at Snowbasin and saw an old Porsche 954? I think, sitting in the parking lot. RWD, I think. WTF?! Sure, it's not as bad as the Cottonwoods, but it still is an 8% grade that gets pretty slick in areas.

Use some common sense when giving advice.
post #35 of 49

Cheap lift tickets online

I just got lift tickets for 50 bucks a day through liftopia.com. You have to check about 14 to 10 days before your trip to get the deals.
post #36 of 49
Do you guys think that 4WD gives you more traction on ice, or going downhill? Cos it doesn't.
post #37 of 49
If you kids want to curse at people, go to TGR.

That said, if you get FWD, just obey the sign and turn back from LCC when the sign says to. BCC is usually open and when hwy 80 is a mess, stay in PC or take a bus. Utah is sunny most of the time. That said, last week I drove down to SLC in a blizzard three times and it was very sketchy every time, and I've got 4wd and big tires. Chaines cost about $20 at Autozone. It's a bitch putting them on in a whiteout, but they work better than any snowtires made. I suggest that if you must save and use 2wd, obey the rules and pick up some chains just in case. 80% of the time you'll be fine.
post #38 of 49
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Originally Posted by epl View Post
i don't know about australian credit card companies, but here in the us, a lot of credit cards come with rental car insurance. maybe worth checking with your credit card issuer to see what they offer. the insurance the rental companies offer is mostly a scam. last time i rented a car in slc, it cost me around $120 for the week for a compact (pt cruiser).
Ck w/your own car insurance carrier- maybe they have extended coverage for rental vehicles. Amex offers 30 days of primary insurance coverage for rentals valued up to 100k for 24.95$ Ebay right now has avis 2-day vouchers for sale- I picked up 1 for 23$; that's any 2 days, not just wkend and they are good for any car class up to full size. Alamo is offering ANY car class up to full size for just 10$ day wkend-and remember the definition of wkend is usually Thur noon to midnite Mon-so al;most 4 days. I already ckecked on the availability of SLC wkend prior to prez day wkend and it's good. Utah ski and golf various locations also sell lift tkts @ discount. Remember, no discount lift tlkts for PC,DV,Cnyns are on sale in Park City- u have to buy down in SLC. Also maybe the Smith's grocery stores. Ps I'm renting a 4dr,4whl drive full size pkup for 404$ from Avis (seats 5 w/ski apparel) for wk of 2/7-14, LOT cheaper than full size SUV!
post #39 of 49
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If you kids want to curse at people, go to TGR.
What the fornicate ever Dad.
If you want to post lame PC DV groomer pics stay here

post #40 of 49
Ya the other thing is 4wd usually have better tires on em for snow too. So you will stop easier/better.

But anyway ... I'm a awd renter. Then again I err on the side of caution a bit so I can take manageable risks on the slopes . FWD sucks btw for snow and ice acceleration or deceleration - the weight's in the wrong place. RWD with snows and weight is better, AWD best. But now I'm just starting an argument ...

On the useful side: canyonhop - it's like $80 including lift ticket to Alta/Bird. So if rental car is not completely needed you can save a few hundred bucks. Although it is nice to have a vehicle to get around.

We'll be out there Jan 26-Feb 1, PM me if you want to hook up ....
post #41 of 49

Beer/AWD in SLC

I live in upstate NY and am used to winter driving in both FWD and AWD vehicles. Though this is only my 5th year to be going to SLC (Feb1-8),and have done the trip up BCC and LCC in both types, I much prefer the not worrying about conditions too much that AWD gives you. $ is always a consideration and I have gone with FWD when trying to bottom line trip expenses, but tried priceline last night for grins and scored a weekly AWD rental for $24/day plus tax&fees. Possibly less folks travelling before school break is affecting the rates, but I've never got one that cheap before.

I happen to enjoy stronger beer and finally noticed that all the stuff in the brew pubs (down in Midvale at least) while tasty, was fairly weak. Started going to the State liquor stores and noticed that though expensive, they carried the real deal (6-7%). Cheaper in the long run, since two of those are good enough to top off a day in the hills.
post #42 of 49
Huey2, beer sold in normal outlets in Utah is 3.2% alcohol. Notice you can't buy wine. Stuff from the state liquor stores is normal strength alcohol but you'll never find normal domestic beers in Utah with full strength alcohol, and I have no idea why.

A friend lent me her old 4-Runner last time I was in Utah (teaching up LCC), and I tootled around in that. Luckily I never had to work out how to put it in 4WD, and the tyres were becoming somewhat smooth. So I figure I'll be OK in a little tiny car, since I have to pay taxes and insurance. I wish they let you put chains on them, here they're about to make chains compulsory for 4WDs too (I always carry chains for my 4WD, only needed them once since '94, when got stuck in a hole in a blizzard).

I figure I'll be choosing my ski days anyway (not used to paying for day tickets), and if it's a howling blizzard, I won't try to drive up LCC. Anywhere else should be fine. Blizzards being great ski days.
post #43 of 49
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Where would you guys recommend I take my skis to get tuned?

I purchased my first pair of skis last March.... Volkl AC40s 177cm

I haven't had them tuned or anything since I purchased them. I've skied probably 4-5 times on them so far.

Last year I rented from Aloha Ski and Snowboard. Would you recommend using them for tuning?
post #44 of 49
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Originally Posted by JoeUT View Post
"Did you chain up?
Why is it ignorant cheap douches like you think that the chains or 4 wheel drive only doesn't apply to them. I don't know why the sheriff doesn't issue tickets at the bottom for you *******s who endanger others lives.
As for leaving Pc for the cottonwoods it's the terrain stupid with a healthy dose of more snow.
Have you considered this mode of transpo?"

LMAO--I was thinking something along these same lines, but tried to tone it down and keep it cordial. I will never quite understand this mentality. It seems like some people think it's cool to travel in sketchy, risky ways. And it's bad enough to do it yourself, but why recommend it for others? Just what we need is a bunch of out-of-staters who never drive in snow running around thinking they can tackle any mountain with a FWD and no provisions. Come on.

The other day I was at Snowbasin and saw an old Porsche 954? I think, sitting in the parking lot. RWD, I think. WTF?! Sure, it's not as bad as the Cottonwoods, but it still is an 8% grade that gets pretty slick in areas.

Use some common sense when giving advice.
people who buy an SUV and think I am bigger and dont have to drive better are the real douches.

also the 2wd SUV or the 4wd suvs without snow tires are breaking the law just as much as me but they can slip by alot easier.

honestly the chain laws in LCC are way to nanny state. I broke the law countless times many times when the road was clear top to bottom. I did it because it was the easiest way for me to get up and down canyon. Ask the people who used me to get up there I am safer and better driver than nearly anyone else.

when and if I return Ill break the law just out of principle.



hey looks it s 4WD astrovan that went off at seven sister. person probably couldnt drive.

also that road is hardly bad. there were day when I plowed snow with my front bumper on that road and many days my driveway was the hardest part of the drive.
post #45 of 49
ya but Josh - you should mention you also race your little FWD car so presumably have an appreciation of how to break traction, 4 wheel skid a turn etc.

Not so different than skiing I've found - track and GS, slalom and auto-x

I agree you still have to know how to drive. I'd suggest doing a hi performance driving school for everyone who can afford it (or just tooling around in parking lots when the mall is closed). Just to go to the edge and beyond in a controlled situation so you're more prepared for unplanned things that happen on the road.

Of course doing this in the vehicle you drive may not be possible but you can get a feel for it somewhat. Of course then the road surface changes etc. I'm all for tooling around like a tool when there's noone else around to do this just for practice . It's a lot like skiing ....
post #46 of 49
people who buy an SUV and think I am bigger and dont have to drive better are the real douches.

also the 2wd SUV or the 4wd suvs without snow tires are breaking the law just as much as me but they can slip by alot easier.

honestly the chain laws in LCC are way to nanny state. I broke the law countless times many times when the road was clear top to bottom. I did it because it was the easiest way for me to get up and down canyon. Ask the people who used me to get up there I am safer and better driver than nearly anyone else.

when and if I return Ill break the law just out of principle.


I believe that you miss the entire point. What you do based upon your own experience and decisions is your business. Though breaking the law "just to prove a point" is pretty lame and toolish especially considering that you ARE putting others at risk regardless of your hero stories of grandeur--hiking up LCC in a t-shirt and tennis shoes with 3 infants strapped to your back and a sprained knee to boot--all it takes is ONE slip, so I really don't care how many times you've logged up and down the road. It's still stupid.

Now the reason I posted is not so much arguing with what you're doing, but questioning the intelligence of giving others the same advice. It's about as clever as venturing into the backcountry without any gear by yourself and then saying since you got away with it, it's safe for others to try. Stamp of Approval. (Terrible Advice)

As for your argument about people that buy SUVs and think they're "bigger and badder"--I agree, more important than what you drive is using judgement and driving carefully. Part of using judgment is obeying the law and following safety precautions. And a bigger part is not to encourage others to flaunt it just because you got away with it regardless of how much "better" you know. I'm pretty sure UT DOT/police could tell plenty of stories of people that "knew better" then they.
post #47 of 49
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Originally Posted by brave ulysses View Post
Where would you guys recommend I take my skis to get tuned?
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Last year I rented from Aloha Ski and Snowboard. Would you recommend using them for tuning?
There's a great tuner in the Park City base area. Tiny little shop run by a Polish guy who does brilliant race hand tunes. I think his shop is called World Cup or something, there's no branding or fancy signs. He's kind-of above the kids ski school, tucked into the cloisters behind the snow garden where the littlies have their first lessons.

He'd know his way around a Volkl as he does a lot of Stocklis, and the two are similar.
post #48 of 49
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Originally Posted by JoeUT View Post
people who buy an SUV and think I am bigger and dont have to drive better are the real douches.

also the 2wd SUV or the 4wd suvs without snow tires are breaking the law just as much as me but they can slip by alot easier.

honestly the chain laws in LCC are way to nanny state. I broke the law countless times many times when the road was clear top to bottom. I did it because it was the easiest way for me to get up and down canyon. Ask the people who used me to get up there I am safer and better driver than nearly anyone else.

when and if I return Ill break the law just out of principle.


I believe that you miss the entire point. What you do based upon your own experience and decisions is your business. Though breaking the law "just to prove a point" is pretty lame and toolish especially considering that you ARE putting others at risk regardless of your hero stories of grandeur--hiking up LCC in a t-shirt and tennis shoes with 3 infants strapped to your back and a sprained knee to boot--all it takes is ONE slip, so I really don't care how many times you've logged up and down the road. It's still stupid.

Now the reason I posted is not so much arguing with what you're doing, but questioning the intelligence of giving others the same advice. It's about as clever as venturing into the backcountry without any gear by yourself and then saying since you got away with it, it's safe for others to try. Stamp of Approval. (Terrible Advice)

As for your argument about people that buy SUVs and think they're "bigger and badder"--I agree, more important than what you drive is using judgement and driving carefully. Part of using judgment is obeying the law and following safety precautions. And a bigger part is not to encourage others to flaunt it just because you got away with it regardless of how much "better" you know. I'm pretty sure UT DOT/police could tell plenty of stories of people that "knew better" then they.
you need to learn how to quote.

plus I was pullled over multiple times for it, and I actually told the cops how ridiculous the law was everytime hoping to be arrested so I could fight the damn thing and try my best to get something stupid changed.

the best one was getting pulled over in the parking lot of snowbird. The cop said "a 2wd without chains cant drive up there"

I responded "a 2wd without chains did just drive up there".

he actually walked away and didnt come back.

the worst was being asked to turn around 100 yards in and then getting a 600 dollar ticket. fought that in court and won but didnt get to raise the stink I was hoping for.

the difference is, a fwd with posi traction has just as many wheel driving the car as a 4wd car. If you dont understand why or how please dont respond. You should be able to get waiver based on tires, modifications to the car.

In my case studded snow tires, and an aftermarket LSD(limited slip differential aka posi traction). and I did carry chains all the time and did chain up when I deemed appropiate not when the road was clear or a couple inches of snow on the road.

FWD car = 1 wheel drive
FWD car with posi traction = 2 wheels actually drive
4wd car = 2 wheels actually driving the car
4wd drive car with a rear lock = 3 wheel drive
AWD car = 4 wheel drive

my car has just many drive wheels as a 4wd car in fact mine is better since the diff I use send power to wheels with more grip and not the wheels with less grip which is how the average 4wd car works.
post #49 of 49
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
in fact mine is better
I'ts all good until one of the locals are road hoggin

Then I'd want somethin with a little beef behind it.
Bullwinkle would just flip your little shit box subie with a flick of his rack. I dropped the durango into nuetral and revved the hemi bitch
He backed off
Yo Joe snow tires aren't part of the restrictions.
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