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Scott Tomlinson?
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Scott Tomlinson?
uhh...check my post before yours.
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Toni Matt (the guy who staightlined Tuckermans) and Luggi Foeger
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Why, when looking at old ski photos, do I get the feeling that it never really snowed back then? Life (and skiing) must have been so much better. Tanned, athletic people standing around in ski sweaters, blue sky in the background, incredible snow. Even here in the Northwest, where we don't see the sun for weeks on end, there are always old pics of people in just that setting.

Those pictures just never prepared me for the rime ice and frostbite that is the current ski experience. How I long for the '50s'!
post #35 of 59
I love the guy on the right. It is quite the fashion statement to tuck your sweater into your pants. I think I'll start doing that and see if it catches on again.
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While you're at it, I highly recommend stretch pants with straps under your arch, tucked into your lace up boots. I actually did that back in the 60s and must have been a sight in my Head Standards with Cubco bindings. About all that means is I'm getting to be a geezer.

Paging Ott! Get over here and make me feel younger.
post #37 of 59
I WILL rock the pleated pants with sweater and glasses steeze every day it is warm enough.
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I own black stretch pants. I bought them last year for ten bucks. The last time I wore them it rained, and they stayed warm and dry. I'll probably be sporting them at Blue Knob.
post #39 of 59
>>>Paging Ott! Get over here and make me feel younger. <<<

OK Cirque, you asked, so for starters some pictures of me, since I have them on my web site, maybe some more later.

Most taken between 1957 and 1969, in the one of my son between my legs he is about two and now he is forty two, so forty years ago.

As you know I was a photojournalist and in 1962 I shot the picture of Franz and Rosi on the cover of ROTO magazine, the next is also of Franz, my Austrian brother-in-law in 1962, wedeln through the trees.

The others are of me at one time or another.

....Ott











post #40 of 59
Great pics. Nice reverse rotation in one.
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Great pics. Nice reverse rotation in one.
reverse rotation=reverse shoulder technique? as in Arlberg?
post #42 of 59
I hope that's not cotton they're wearing.....
post #43 of 59
Thanks Ott!

I don't always get to use this smilie...
Keep on going!

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Sweet!
post #45 of 59
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Is it cheating using rockered fat skis to ski pow pow? Does it require less skill then it did 10 years ago? What about a fat carving pow ski?
If it is than I'm a BIG FAT CHEATER.

Seriously, to cheat there has to be rules to cheat against. To me the rules of powder skiing is to have as much fun and make the best tracks possible. Fat skis are *the* way to go, especially here in Utah. I ABSOLUTELY love my 172/140/158 powder skis ( Fatypus A-lotta ). They're worth their weight in gold. They're amazing in deep untracked, they effortlessly blast through skied out powder, they're short enough to be manuverable through tight spots, and surprisingly fun on the groomed ( the little of it that I ski ).
post #46 of 59
Is using skinny waisted skis in moguls or on an icy rutted SL course cheating?
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I just mounted my new skis & spent the day on them today. These are the fattest skis I have ever owned. They absolutely rocked on todays windblown, sometimes crusty snow. I had a giant grin on my face all day . They also skied surprisingly well on the groomers. Can't wait for the next deep day. I love cheating.

Outside my day home:


JF
post #48 of 59
So that mini tip rocker really does work in crust and windblown? What are you doing skiing AT on "tele skis" anyway?
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So that mini tip rocker really does work in crust and windblown? What are you doing skiing AT on "tele skis" anyway?
Yes, it does work & it is very mini. The amazing thing is on the choppy groomer at the end of the day, it eliminates alot of the tip flopping you might expect on a conventional ski.

What are you doing skiing AT on "tele skis" anyway? I'm not. I am skiing inbounds alpine with AT bindings on tele skis with plug boots . I think it was your suggestion that got me to pull the trigger on this set-up, & so far I am grateful.

I wish we had known when you were in the area, I could've given you the grand tour.

Thanks,

JF
post #50 of 59
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So that mini tip rocker really does work in crust and windblown? What are you doing skiing AT on "tele skis" anyway?
the tele version has a rockered tip, its the same ski as the coomba but with tip rocker
post #51 of 59
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the tele version has a rockered tip, its the same ski as the coomba but with tip rocker
That's why I got it. I had a short list going of tip rockered skis, until Mudfoot suggested the Anti-piste. It turned out that it fit the bill perfectly for my intended use & the short list was thrown away.

The truth is, it was the graphics that clinched it .

JF
post #52 of 59
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I am skiing inbounds alpine with AT bindings on tele skis with plug boots JF
If that's not "cheating" then I don't know what is!

Seriously, it's good to see someone look past the labels, mix things up, and come up with a versatile setup that skis great on area, and I assume also in the sidecountry and backcountry. Your ski day is a perfect example of why I don't like Dynafit AT bindings. Try using plug boots with those!

Good skis are good skis, and many "tele" skis are perfect for non-tele use. I'm glad the skis are working out for you. I think the mini rocker will also be just right for holding skin traction while facilitating breaking trail in deep snow. I look forward to your first bc trip report.
post #53 of 59
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I look forward to your first bc trip report.
That may be awhile, as everyone should know by now the snowpack is quite unstable .
I ended up getting the Black Diamond Glidelite skins & standard skins for my other set-up.
JF
post #54 of 59
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Is it cheating using rockered fat skis to ski pow pow?
Cheating against what? The only rules involve safety for others (and yourself, if saving you would compromise the safety of others).

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Does it require less skill then it did 10 years ago?
Of course it requires less skill. That's why big rockered skis are popular. That's part of the issue, of course, since it means that more relatively unskilled people are out chewing up "our" powder. And they're having fun, since the skis make it possible for them to have fun instead of struggle at their skill level.

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What about a fat carving pow ski?
What about them? They're far more versatile than a rockered ski, but very few, if any, of them are truly at home on packed snow or corduroy. They also are more demanding in powder and crud than rockered skis. Some might call them a poor compromise. Still, they make powder much easier than it is on a typical "all mountain" ski, and they can manage harder conditions reasonably well. There is a wide range of conditions under which they respond well when the skier stands on them correctly.

Although I don't particularly like to see skiers with limited knowledge and skill destroying "my" virgin powder, I recognize they're having a great time. Where I really question their understanding of their chosen tool is when they show up on their big rockered skis in the early season, with limited cover, weeds and no powder. They still like them, though, because such skis are very easy to pivot and skid on piste. With many of them, that's the extent of their skill set. And that's why they like the big rockered skis in powder - they're easy to pivot and smear in the powder.
post #55 of 59
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. Where I really question their understanding of their chosen tool is when they show up on their big rockered skis in the early season, with limited cover, weeds and no powder. .
Simple. A skinny ski with conventional camber and sidecut would be cheating. Real men carve arcs on their pontoons.
post #56 of 59
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I hope that's not cotton they're wearing.....
Gabardine
post #57 of 59
I sat next to a guy on the chair and the waist of his ski was wider than my ski shovel. I am sooooo not cool.
post #58 of 59
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since the skis make it possible for them to have fun instead of struggle at their skill level.
To me, "skill" is being able to effectively use your equipment. If somebody can ski the powder with whatever equipment they're on, then IMHO they have the skill to be doing so. Just because their equipment is different then yours, doesn't give you the right to put down their skills ( which I think you're doing with your apparent smug arrogant attitude ).
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I sat next to a guy on the chair and the waist of his ski was wider than my ski shovel.
I'd be money that mine are even WIDER. LOL. Seriously
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