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post #91 of 120
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Originally Posted by Walt View Post

Now, how many of us have ever fallen off a chair that didn't have a "safety" bar? Anyone? Bueller?


Ok. It's unanimous.

My kid fell off. Scared the crap out of me. Wasn't high enough to do damage but it happened. Now when we ski together the bar comes down.

If they ski alone, I don't know what they do but I tell them to put the bar down.
post #92 of 120
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Originally Posted by BigE View Post
it just sounded like the bar ought to stay up, unless everyone wanted it down.
That's exactly right! The bar coming down should be a mutual decision. But instead, countless times, other people pull it down before my body is clear of it's path, Ouch. What get's me is that most people don't seem to care, and they seem to think it's my fault somehow. URG!
post #93 of 120
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Originally Posted by UtahPowderPig View Post
countless times, other people pull it down before my body is clear of it's path, Ouch. URG!
Countless times... How many times will it take for you to learn?

Are you stupid or just insane?
post #94 of 120
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Originally Posted by UtahPowderPig View Post
That's exactly right! The bar coming down should be a mutual decision. But instead, countless times, other people pull it down before my body is clear of it's path, Ouch. What get's me is that most people don't seem to care, and they seem to think it's my fault somehow. URG!
As long as the bar goes down , I'm happy. Naturally, I let folks know when I'm pulling it down, and I make sure it's ok. But it won't stay up for the ride....
post #95 of 120
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Originally Posted by okolepuka View Post
My kid fell off. Scared the crap out of me.
Was this in the middle of the ride out of nowhere?

Or was it the typical "kid doesn't quite manage to get on the chair and falls off in the first 50 feet" scenario ? I see this happen all the time, but bars don't help in this situation.

Also, kids that are young enough that they can't manage to stay on the chair are usually small enough to slip under the bar and fall off anyway. That's where adult supervision comes in.

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Originally Posted by UtahPowderPig View Post
The bar coming down should be a mutual decision.
Depends on where you are. In the northeast (Ontario, NY, and possibly the rest of New England) it's the law that you must use the restraint bar. It's not your decision.

Where I ski, there aren't any restraint bars, so again there's no decision to be made.
post #96 of 120
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Originally Posted by TerpSKI View Post
Is there a link to this thread on TGR yet?

And it's a footrest not a safety bar. Bars without a footrest do not exist.
Sky Chair at Cypress Mountain, double chair with bars but no footrest.

I don't like footrests because my legs don't hang straight. When I ski where there are bars I either make sure the bar stays up or sit on the end so one leg can be free of the footrest. Fortunately we have none here.
post #97 of 120

Bars in general

I'm generally for bars unless they are on chairlifts. Peeps in 'tah just don't like bars period.

Bars on chairlifts make it harder to jump off mid mountain into that delicious stash right below you.

Jer, how's fishing?
post #98 of 120
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Originally Posted by Walt View Post
Was this in the middle of the ride out of nowhere?

Or was it the typical "kid doesn't quite manage to get on the chair and falls off in the first 50 feet" scenario ? I see this happen all the time, but bars don't help in this situation.
Walt,
That's a good point. It was after loading, a short time after the first post. So you are right, it had more to do with the loading process.

Still, I like my kids to lower the bar when they ski, primarily because it scared the bejezuz out of me.

post #99 of 120
We have one chair where the bar, with foot rest, will come flopping down on its own if there is the least bit of jostling getting loaded. I've gotten used to blocking the footrest with my poles in the air while getting on. Problem solved. Dont see why those that have issues with folks pulling the bar down too soon can't be pro-active and hold the bar from coming down until they get seated properly.

I have a severe issue with height and Alta's barless lifts (quads or larger especially) make it a harrowing ride for me unless I am on an end so that I can hang on for dear life---wish it weren't so, but that just how it is for me.

I use the bars at every opportunity and have never been forced to leave one up when I wanted it down!
post #100 of 120
Here is a different take on falling off (almost) the chair with photos of the incident.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive....html?link=eaf
post #101 of 120
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Originally Posted by gcarlson View Post
Here is a different take on falling off (almost) the chair with photos of the incident.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive....html?link=eaf
It's been posted about all over here.
post #102 of 120
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Originally Posted by COSkiGirl View Post
It's been posted about all over here.
It's been posted all over everywhere.
And the bar wouldn't have done squat for this guy.

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Originally Posted by okolepuka View Post
Still, I like my kids to lower the bar when they ski, primarily because it scared the bejezuz out of me.
Nothing wrong with that. They're kids, and the smart thing to tell them is to use the safety equipment. We adults can argue whether it actually helps or not.

Even though I think "safety" bars are pretty useless, I still deploy them most of the time when they're there.
post #103 of 120
Safety bar: the bar you know is always open when your favorite bar is closed.
post #104 of 120
^ Yes, but, who's gonna drive you home...

The Cars
post #105 of 120

Strange customs

This is all so strange to a European. Over here, lowering the bar immediately is the universal practice. Nobody seems to get their heads hurt or helmets scratched, so clearly it is possible to avoid this sort of injury.

I am one of those who does not really enjoy sitting in a chair over a big drop, and I suspect that I am not alone in this.

Chairs do sometimes behave unpredictably, stopping and bouncing or swinging, and this would be really unpleasant on a chair without a bar, especially one of the older types with slippery plastic seats.

So why not so what the rest of the world does, close the bar, rest the feet and relax, and not make such a big performance about a simple procedure which adds to safety and comfort?
post #106 of 120
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Originally Posted by Mogul View Post
This is all so strange to a European.
you're not alone. it's strange to me having grown up skiing in Vermont, where it's a state law to use the bar - so everyone does it. I've been in a couple wind-whipped situations sitting in the middle seat of a quad with the lift stopped, and was thankful I had something to hang on to. Bouncing around 50 feet above blue ice when it's 5 below zero and there's a nasty wind is bad enough. I want whatever I can grab onto to hold on for dear life.

And I don't think I've ever been hit on the head by the bar coming down - are the chairs different out west (where this seems to be a real issue) or what? The protocol out here seems to be - everyone sits, and by the first tower the bar comes down, so you all settle in quickly. if there's a problem, someone says they need a minute. it's not that hard and has never really been an issue in my experience.

Honestly, I'm fascinated by the seemingly endless discussion here about safety bars. it just seems weird to me that anyone would *not* want to use them.
post #107 of 120
I can't see not using the bar when it's there. I lived in the US West for years and learned to ride bar-less too. Whatever. But if it's there, why not pull it down? I never bought the "safer without" argument.
post #108 of 120
It's even more fun to lean on the bar and not let people raise it until the very last moment. That REALLY pisses people off.
post #109 of 120
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Originally Posted by jayhawkskier View Post
It's even more fun to lean on the bar and not let people raise it until the very last moment. That REALLY pisses people off.
Even better...don't just lean, do a leg press on the foot rest!


For the anti-bar folks who think consent is needed from all on the chair to bring the bar down...does this apply when there are children on the chair?
Do you still feel that you have the right to refuse to bring the bar down in that case, and would you actually do so in practice?
post #110 of 120
The bar always makes me glad I wore my helmut. I have a hard time believing that Germans don't try to smack you around with the bar. They only seem to glad to run over your skis in an effort to squeeze a half foot ahead in line.

And after lunch, everbody in Europe is skiing drunk anyway. They are lucky they don't have more accidents over there than they do.
post #111 of 120
Don't know why this is hottly contested.

Me/buddies just say loudly...."BAR COMING DOWN!!!"

If you don't look up and get your noggin banged, tough poopies...and there isn't anything you are doing to do about it either!!! Just kidding, we lower it slowly and ensure everyone is ready. Then make sure you say, BAR UP!! You are not going to kick my ass for it for sure...haha..but seriously, I have yet to have anyone say, hey, I don't want it down. Maybe my stature/size has something to do with that..don't know. Hope that isn't the case, just trying to be safe and set an example when there are kids on it too.

Anyway, put the thing down, just announce it loudly and lower it slowly. I like to rest my feet somewhere also and take the pressure off my knees legs, and the safety bar is good for that too!! Can be annoying, but you figure out how to get your legs on and settle and be safe.

And...if you ever been 150ft over a gorge on a lift and it comes to a halt pretty quick, you would be thankful that the bar is there and you don't fall to your death...so your macho crap just went all out the window.
post #112 of 120
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Originally Posted by prickly View Post
Safety bar: the bar you know is always open when your favorite bar is closed.
Now that is my idea of a safety bar. I like the way you think.
post #113 of 120
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... are the chairs different out west?
no, but there are more people worried about trying to impress people with how "local" and "rad" they are.
post #114 of 120
I never knew this was such a big issue. Hell, I probably skied Alta half a dozen times before I realized none of their chairs had safety bars. A friend of mine who always wants the bar down had to point it out to me one day. Come to think of it, this is the same friend that makes fun of me for wearing a helmet.

Anyways, where do all of these skull crushing safety bar maniacs ski because I want to avoid that resort. I am 6'1" and I have never been hit in the head by a safety bar. Most everyone asks politely and the others just slowly bring the bar down. I could care less either way but I think if even one person on the lift wants the bar down then it should be down. If you can't handle the bar being down, find a rope tow.

I would be interested it hearing opinions on smoking weed in the gondola. Last year @ Snowbasin a guy asked if anyone cared if he smoked some cannabis. One guy politely objected and that put the smoking to a stop but legalization was the topic of discussion for the rest of the gondola ride.
post #115 of 120
ganja should be smoked in a gondola unless children are present. then you should wait for the next car.
post #116 of 120
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Originally Posted by jahroy View Post
ganja should be smoked in a gondola unless children are present. then you should wait for the next car.
I'd love a little contact buzz from the gondola if there were no kids around, but there are those people who have to be drug tested for work. Gotta take that into consideration.
post #117 of 120
Sorry, but I find smoke of any kind in a gondola truly inconsiderate and heinous. Forget about getting tested for work. There are those of us who are asthmatics.
post #118 of 120
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Originally Posted by Woodstocksez View Post
I like safety bars that have a footrest. I am no fan of safety bars that don't have a footrest.

My position is quite clear. It is unlikely that I can be convinced to change my view.
I agree 100%.
post #119 of 120
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Originally Posted by jahroy View Post
ganja should be smoked in a gondola unless children are present. then you should wait for the next car.
Also if your with strangers, you should make sure the car has an open vent. They probably won't appreciate you hotboxing the place...
post #120 of 120
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Originally Posted by friolator View Post

Honestly, I'm fascinated by the seemingly endless discussion here about safety bars. it just seems weird to me that anyone would *not* want to use them.
I don't get it either. After many years of skiing in VT, I'm just used to it, so it feels weird and scary not using them. Out here people seldom use them, even on lifts that have them. But many of the older lifts don't.

And yeah, someone mentioned Alta - that's the worst. The Collins quad, which is a newer lift (but Alta decided it was a good idea to remove all the safety bars). It goes over some pretty high spots... One windy day I was sure I was going to be blown out of the chair.
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