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Base layer and mid-layer to go under Arc'teryx Beta AR?

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
I got an insanely good deal on an Arc'teryx Beta AR shell a few weeks ago and it's time to start replacing my base and especially my mid-layer. I need to be comfortable skiing down to 10-15F without wind chills and would rather keep it to a max of 3 layers and possibly junk the mid-layer for spring skiing.

Looking at Arc'teryx first but entirely open to other brands too.

Any thoughts?

Thanks.
post #2 of 19
For cold days I frequently use the Arc'teryx Solo jacket as an insulated layer. Works great but too warm for all but the coldest days (for me anyway). Generally just go with a mid-weight base layer, if it's moderately cold I'll add something like the Delta AR jacket or the Sniper Zip
post #3 of 19
The sizing and cut runs differn't for most of the ArcTeryx fleeces. Might be a good idea to try before you buy. In my opinion Arcteryx is the best out there.
post #4 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by skierhj View Post
For cold days I frequently use the Arc'teryx Solo jacket as an insulated layer. Works great but too warm for all but the coldest days (for me anyway). Generally just go with a mid-weight base layer, if it's moderately cold I'll add something like the Delta AR jacket or the Sniper Zip
what do you wear with these as a base layer?
post #5 of 19
When it's really cold, I use the Rho for a base layer and the Hercules for a mid layer.

CJ
post #6 of 19
As you're in Boston, try the base and mid layers at EMS. While I love my Arcteryx gear, EMS' stuff is certainly more cost effective, and they have many different weights of the various layers.
post #7 of 19
The reality is that there are a lot of good baselayering on the market. You can get Patagonia Capeline in various weights to keep you warm and dry. Smartwool baselayers are very comfortable. It's hard to go wrong if you get a quality product.

Dennis
post #8 of 19
I to am a fan of Arcteryx Jackets. I usually wear a Smartwool midwieght base layer. Then a good quality Fleece 1/4 zip shirt. If it is 10/15 degrees out I will add a very comfortable snug fitting Patagonia Fleece Vest. These layers keep me warm but do not restrict my mobility.I usually top with a Arcteryx Sigma AR if its to be dry, the Stingray Jacket if moderate to heavy snow in the forcast.
post #9 of 19
Another good choice is the Marmot Dri-clime windshirt, the original one with the mesh under the armpits.
post #10 of 19
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Originally Posted by kelly001 View Post
Looking at Arc'teryx first but entirely open to other brands too.
Often, you are not going to get much more performance out of spending a lot on base layers than you would spending less. You don't need to spend $$ on "looks" for base layers.

As long as is black, it will go with everything (but be hard to distinguish from the other black stuff you have!).
post #11 of 19
this season i am going with:
1. silk
2. wool ("icebreaker" body fit 200, 100% merino)
3. "transcendent" ultralight down sweater from Oudoor Research
4. "Elixir" gore-tex Paclite jacket from Oudoor Research
post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by skinnydog View Post
Another good choice is the Marmot Dri-clime windshirt, the original one with the mesh under the armpits.
+1 Perfect mid-layer.
post #13 of 19
Base = silk t-neck (or, when all silk t-necks are waiting to be washed, Hot Chili Peachskin t-neck).

Mid 1 = Ibex Ribbies or midweight Marmot Polartec Powerdry (with the "Cocona" activated charcoal funk suppressant). Both are effective light weight midlayers.

Mid 2 (when needed) = EMS quarter zip microfleece (200 wt, fairly tight fit over my Mid 1) or Outdoor Research Trance Down Sweater (I have not needed the down sweater yet this year, not even in 8-9 degree temps).

My baselayer pant is usually good 'ole Duofold Varitherm (works just fine, costs around $16 at Marshalls). If it gets really cold, I also have a polartec powerstretch bottom (can layer the two if needed).

I tend to agree with the folks that have suggested that Arcteryx mid and base layers are not a necessary expense.

Best of luck making your choice.

STE
post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by kelly001 View Post
what do you wear with these as a base layer?
my base layers are smartwool. I have a couple of different weights and love their product. I have Arc'teryx base layers and they're nice, really nice but I prefer the smartwool and also highly reccomend Patagonia Capilene. Any one of those three and you are in great shape. I've been going back and forth with some of the folks at Arc'teryx about my Smartwool devotion but the product is great
post #15 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the tip on the Marmot DriClime. I'm definitely more in the market for a good mid-layer than a new base layer. Most of my base layers still have plenty of life in them so I'm going to focus on a warm mid-layer.
post #16 of 19
I a huge fan of the ibex products. They have great variability on temp. for example ive used the same set up in 0 degrees and 30 degrees without sacrificing comfort. y e

For Ibex i like the woolies with a zepher on top for my slightly insulated jacket. For a shell, i would go with either a zepher as a base and add a good quality pull over such as the ibex shak or scout which is slightly heavier or keep the above and add a tight vest.

With that said I also love the patagonia stuff. This week I will try the patag. wool 3 base with an ibex shak or one of the power stretch mids like a cloudveil run dont walk or backcounty.com

I would buy a few types and experiment.
post #17 of 19
I like the Brynje mesh polypro, available from Reliable Racing Supply (www.reliableracing.com). It allows air circulation but with another layer over it traps pockets of air. I have had some for 20 years: it refuses to wear out.
post #18 of 19
W/r/t wool midlayers, I find that Ibex is a bit scratchier, but lasts longer w/o pilling than either Smartwool or Icebreaker (Icebreaker is worst for pilling). I have not tried the Patagonia wool layers b/c they're difficult to find on sale. Since I wear a silk t-neck as my next-to-skin base, I prefer Ibex over the other wool brands I have tried.

If you choose to go with a wool mid layer, I highly recommend the Nikwax wool wash. It does a very good job of keeping wool clothing from drying out (losing necessary oils) when being washed/dried.

STE
post #19 of 19
Patagonia or Icebreaker Wool baselayers. (But I still think that the old stinky polypropylene baselayers have the best performance).

Patagonia Regulator fleece midlayer. I am a big fan of R1 and R0.5 for mild California conditions. (Marmot DryClime is a shelled garment, completely unnecessary under the GoreTex shell.) The truth is any midlayer woul do as long as it is more breathable than the shell, which most of them are.

Alex
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