or Connect
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › Ski Gear Discussion › Best Expert All Mountain Skis
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Best Expert All Mountain Skis

post #1 of 49
Thread Starter 
Interested in opinions based on experience for expert, all mountain skis for one of my sons. He is an exracer, back country skier and currently has an old pair of Volkl A4s. Lives near Tahoe and skis the Sierras and Rockies mostly. Wants a ski that will ski in the powder and crude but also carve really well the rest of the time.

My personal favorite is the Volkl AC40 and I have not tried the AC50 yet and not demoed skis for the past 3 years so I am behind the times.

Anyone ski the Tigershark 12 Foot in the Sierras or Northwest? I know they ski the midwest and east well but don't know how they ski otherwise.

Thanks for the advice.
post #2 of 49

base your choice on what you enjoy skiing most

sellect a ski that will create the most joy in his favorite conditions for the area he skis most. No ski does it all, none, period. there is no best-all-mountain. that said, Tahoe has heavy snow most of the time, and with a lot of pressure on it, it is usually cut up. So, perhaps your son has most fun most often on cut-up fresh snow (some call it crud sometimes). This would greatly narrow your search. Powerful crud-buster with good float. this translates to about 95-110mm, moderate side-cut, moderately stiff, damp, durable. All the major brands make such a model. (the AC 40 and 50 are just shiny AC4's)
post #3 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by davluri View Post
Powerful crud-buster with good float. this translates to about 95-110mm, moderate side-cut, moderately stiff, damp, durable. All the major brands make such a model. (the AC 40 and 50 are just shiny AC4's)
I'm a Tahoe skier -- can you rattle-off a few more "Powerful crud-busters?" I'm about ready to sneak another pair of sticks past my wife.
post #4 of 49
Thread Starter 
I am interested in experience. After teaching, coaching and working in a ski shop for 30+ years I know the basics. Just not current with many of the new skis and don't ski in the west very often these days.

AC4s and AC40s are similar but ski quite differently. Can't attest to the AC50s. AC4s ski more like the old Crossrangers than the AC40 althought they were targeted at the same type of skier.

Looking for real world experience with specific skis understanding that one skier might love a particular ski and another of the same level might hate it.
post #5 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by bsimeral View Post
Looking for real world experience with specific skis understanding that one skier might love a particular ski and another of the same level might hate it.
A little more info would be really helpful:

Height?
Weight?
Terrain preference- you say he likes the 'backcountry', does he tour or do you mean inbounds hike-to terrain? Does he like carving or skiing off piste more?
What skis has he liked/ disliked?
post #6 of 49
davluri is right on with his recommendation. Tahoe can see drastic changes in snow conditions in any given day.

Tigersharks are not good All-Mountain skis for the Sierras imo. AC50 is a better choice but still too frontiside oriented for my taste given what you say he's looking for. A better option would be a Volkl Grizzly (think beefier Tigershark), but that's one of many that will work fine. Also consider Elan 888, Dynastar Legend Pro, Head im88, Nordica Hellcat/Helldiver, Volkl Mantra, Blizzard Magnum 8.7. All of these skis have a strong following here. Although they're on the stouter side they will have much improved float over the Tigershark and have enough sidecut to carve in most snow conditions. Crud performance is also excellent with any of these.

Here's a great link to the skis I would be considering for your son-

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=75325

It would be best to list your sons vitals for a better recommendation.
post #7 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by bsimeral View Post
I am interested in experience. After teaching, coaching and working in a ski shop for 30+ years I know the basics. Just not current with many of the new skis and don't ski in the west very often these days.

AC4s and AC40s are similar but ski quite differently. Can't attest to the AC50s. AC4s ski more like the old Crossrangers than the AC40 althought they were targeted at the same type of skier.

Looking for real world experience with specific skis understanding that one skier might love a particular ski and another of the same level might hate it.
I think you have to say what kind of skis he likes. Does he prefer a heavier "crud buster" or something soft and floaty? To me it comes down to personal style and preference.
post #8 of 49
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Mythic Rider yet...
post #9 of 49
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
A little more info would be really helpful:

Height?
Weight?
Terrain preference- you say he likes the 'backcountry', does he tour or do you mean inbounds hike-to terrain? Does he like carving or skiing off piste more?
What skis has he liked/ disliked?

5'11", 165 and currently skiing AX4s. Skis all type of terrain but prefers off piste, in or out of bounds. Lived in Alaska for many years and skied backcountry and ultra steeps with both tele and alpine. At this stage he will probably ski mostly inbounds and still likes a ski that will carve on the front side.

He is also considering some touring gear but that is another discussion. Budget considerations and a growing family will probably limit purchases to one pair of skis.

My original question was to find out what other expert skiers, particularly in the Sierras or PNW have skied and liked.
post #10 of 49
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by crank View Post
I think you have to say what kind of skis he likes. Does he prefer a heavier "crud buster" or something soft and floaty? To me it comes down to personal style and preference.

It always comes down to personal preference. He prefers some beef, not soft and floaty. That is why I mentioned he was once a racer although that was more than 25 years ago. He still likes a ski that will have some carving ability when needed.
post #11 of 49
If he skis mostly off piste and likes a racy feel, look at:

Volkl Mantra
Nordica Enforcer (see Sierra Jim's deal)
Blizzard Argos
Dynastar Legend Pro Rider or Mythic Rider
Stockli Scot Schmidt Pro
Elan 888
Head iM88 or iM102
post #12 of 49
Take a look at World Cup skiers...ROSSIGNOL...

Test drive the Rossi CX-80's...then decide.
post #13 of 49
WC Skiers?

Atomic
Head
Fischer
Salomon





Rossignol.
post #14 of 49

No hijack intended...

Lindsey Vonn...
Numero Uno...



C'mon Whiteroom, don't be a Rossi hater just because its fashionable. Great skis are now being made...in the tradition of WC construction. They had some mediocre years under Quicksilver ownership...this and next year they will be modeled after what works, sintered bases and wood cores...the recipe of greatness.
post #15 of 49
although...Head im88...GREAT SKI...
post #16 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowfan View Post
C'mon Whiteroom, don't be a Rossi hater just because its fashionable. Great skis are now being made...in the tradition of WC construction. They had some mediocre years under Quicksilver ownership...this and next year they will be modeled after what works, sintered bases and wood cores...the recipe of greatness.
With all due respect, Rossi's medicore years happened well before Quicksilver bought them IMHO. You are probably right that they are making a comeback & their current skis are competitive with the other brands mentioned. But Rossi had been in decline for a few years.
post #17 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
If he skis mostly off piste and likes a racy feel, look at:

Volkl Mantra
Nordica Enforcer (see Sierra Jim's deal)
Blizzard Argos
Dynastar Legend Pro Rider or Mythic Rider
Stockli Scot Schmidt Pro
Elan 888
Head iM88 or iM102
This is a good list. I have or had the following:
Mantra ( 191 & 184)
Legend Pro (194)
Stockli Scot Schmidt Pro (188)

The Mantra and the Stockli SS Pro are better at carving. 194 LP has great edge hold and will carve very large turns. For a 1 ski quiver I would pick the Mantra. It is the ski I travel with.

At 165#, if he is an aggressive expert a 184 Mantra would be excellent choice. Plenty a float for him, good in the crud and will carve for an aggressive driver.

Plus if you like a brand (Volkl), there is a good chance you will like their new skis.

I think there still maybe a good deals on last year's Mantras. He should check ebay.
post #18 of 49
Thread Starter 
Thanks Stormday. The Mantra is on the short list and he likes Volkl skis in general and is an aggressive skier.
post #19 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by madskier6 View Post
With all due respect, Rossi's medicore years happened well before Quicksilver bought them IMHO. You are probably right that they are making a comeback & their current skis are competitive with the other brands mentioned. But Rossi had been in decline for a few years.
There is a definite change to higher performing less forgiving skis. Just hand flex the latest WC Oversize slalom and compare it to last years version.
post #20 of 49
I was joking about Rossi, they make some excellent skis that certainly grt overlooked. The Classic 80 is a great ski that no one seems to pay attention to. The SAS ski are all very nice as well.
post #21 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wave View Post
I'm a Tahoe skier -- can you rattle-off a few more "Powerful crud-busters?" I'm about ready to sneak another pair of sticks past my wife.
My experience is with traditional skis by major established companies, could be "old school" rearing it's shaggy grey head

Dynastar Legend Pro and Pro XXL; Rossignol Phantom SC 97; Volkl Mantra; Elan 999; Stockli Stormrider DP and Scott Schmidt

for newer designs, find a newer skier with exerience on those boards
post #22 of 49
Too many to count but usually the ones you have on your feet on a deep powder day.

And every major ski manufacturer makes one that is real good.
post #23 of 49
Classic 80 = WC 9x Oversize.

Different top sheet.
post #24 of 49
I could be wrong, but wasn't the 9X WC Oversize more like a 65 mm waisted ski, than an 80 mm waisted ski?
post #25 of 49
9X WC oversize = 124-80-112 = Classic CX80
post #26 of 49
Lots of options here. Tahoe is bump-city if it hasn't snowed in awhile, so that may factor in to your consideration.

My list for a 1-ski, everyday quiver for Tahoe conditions (big storm, then weeks of sunny weather):

Elan 82ti or Xti (probably ti for somebody 165lbs, very stable in crud, fairly racy)
Elan 888 (more of a GS-style crudbuster, OK in bumps)
Blizzard Magnum 8.7 (versatile, stable, fun, snappy)
Head iM82 or iM88 (both very versatile skis)
Stockli XXXL (may be a little stiff for bump skiing, best high-speed ski on this list)
Dynastar Mythic Rider (similar to the 888, I find it to be a touch more forgiving)
Rossi CX80 (I haven't skied it, but worth checking out)
Fischer Watea 94 (light, yet snappy and fun)


You may want to consider a 2-ski quiver. Get something wide and friendly for deep snow days, and something narrower for hardpack, corn, and bumps. If anyplace could use a 2-ski quiver, it is Tahoe! If not, something 80-95mm underfoot is a good place to start.

Full selection of 2014 skis available right now from Dawgcatching.com.  PM for current deals and discount codes: save up to 25% on mid-season deals. 

Reply
post #27 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigE View Post
9X WC oversize = 124-80-112 = Classic CX80
I can't believe it.
2005 9X Oversize 109/68/92
2006 9X WC 104/65/85
2008 RX WC I Box 107.5-67.5-99.5

What year and model 9X is 80 mm at the waist?
post #28 of 49
You think I'm making this up??????

2009 9x WX OVERSIZE.

The 9s oversize is 70 at the waist.
post #29 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigE View Post
9X WC oversize = 124-80-112 = Classic CX80
I saw that they were the same dims. Classic, IMHO, has much better graphics... thats what it really comes down to anyway.
post #30 of 49
Now that I have had a couple of runs on them: The Kastle MX 78 rules!
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Ski Gear Discussion
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › Ski Gear Discussion › Best Expert All Mountain Skis