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post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Here's my first vid -All ski analysis appreciated.


A little about me.
Age 28
Height 5'10 Weight 180
Ski's - 2009 Head Chip Monster in 171 Boots - Head S10

I started skiing in my early 20s and have improved each year. I feel like I'm plateau'ing some so I do know I need to start taking some lessons and get some more ski time in each season (currently 10-20 days a season depending on trips out west).

Conditions from the video - groomed, not icy. Black run, but the spot I picked should be classified easier. Just needed some light

After doing the run, it felt like a good run. This is the first time I actually see myself skiing. Looking at the video, I wasn't impressed. I looked hunched and I thought I got on my edges quicker than it looks. I don't use my poles much to turn, more for stability. Thanks for any analysis you can provide!
post #2 of 14
Thank you for posting your video. I see areas that I'd like to explore with you but before doing so could you give me a little bit more information about your skiing. Tell me about your equipment. Then if you will, tell me what type of terrain / snow / ski manuevers give you the most trouble? Where do you want your skiing to go? Racing, freeriding, recreational expert, park and pipe? Without that information all anyone can do is offer generic advice that may not be what your seeking.
post #3 of 14
Thread Starter 
Justanotherskipro - thanks for the reply. Here are some of the answers to your questions.

Tell me about your equipment.
I went from Rossi's 177, almost straight skis about 6 years ago to Metron 9s in 2005, 164. I went to the 171 IM78 this year as I wanted something with more versatility that could survive the once a year trip out west. I have Head S10 boots with custom footbeds that I went to a bootfitter for.

Then if you will, tell me what type of terrain / snow / ski manuevers give you the most trouble?
Steeps give me trouble. I tend to point my skis downhill with minimal turns. I live in the Midwest and I ski 90% groomed runs. I can handle almost all of the terrain, but I don't want to just get down the hill anymore. Improvement in my technique is my main focus. I like short turns, stay out of the bumps, with an occasional forray in the park. I do seek out powder when available, but don't have a lot of experience there. Mainly groomed, ice, anything below 3 inches is where I spend my time.

Where do you want your skiing to go?
Tough question, I'd like to be considered an advanced intermediate. I want to be able to get edge to edge and ski parrallel turns all the way down a run despite varying terrain. I don't have any desire to be a ski pro and realistically anything over 40-50 days in a ski season is out of the question. I'd like to be able to handle a bumps run. In other words, I ride the ski lifts and say, that guy/gal is good, nice form. I'd like to be that.

post #4 of 14
Let's start with what I see your skis doing. A lot of skidding and pivotting around the tips. The edge set at the end of the turn pressures the skis and creates a platform from which they start the process again.
How you accomplish this is by a series of rotary body movements that start in the shoulders and move down the body to the skis. You also push the skis out from your body to create edge angle before loading them with pressure to accomplish the edge set. Which you can see with the hip drop in the second half of the turn. Interestingly enough I don't see a lot of flexing and extending in the legs though. So the only way to do this would be to increase the tension in your legs and use your momentum to cause the increased pressure late in the turn.
I would be interested in knowing what you see in other skiers that you want to imitate. Do they ski differently than you?

Which would lead to answering the following question. So where would you like to begin changing what you do? It also will tell me what you understand about your ski movements. Which is important in how I would package advice so you can understand it best.

If I can be so bold I would suggest going to pretty flat terrain and working on gaining some range of motion drills for your legs. Not that starting in another skill set would be wrong, just that we can increase your ability to handle more terrain variations by getting you to use your legs more effectively to control the skis. Is that something you would be interested in doing?
post #5 of 14
Thread Starter 
Other skiers seem more fluid. I’ve been told by my friend that is a much better skier than I am that I appear too rigid from the waist up and I need to relax more. Concentrating on the turn at second 4 of the video as I work left to right, I can see the skid and the outer ski come apart from the inside ski. I also see what you are saying on rotary body movements and me starting with the shoulders to initiate into the turn. Going into this specific turn, it looks like I’m pushing the back of the skis out in order to initiate. I do like short turns, maybe I need to lengthen these a bit so I can work on completing the turn without the push.

I don’t mind at all doing drills on flatter terrain. I always found it easier to ski on more of an incline and at faster speeds and felt, well, sort of out of whack at slow speeds and on flat terrain. What type of drills did you have in mind?
post #6 of 14
The tail wash you are seeing is an effect. We need to figure out what is causing that to happen. Since you are creating the rotary in your shoulders I would say that would be the most likely suspect. So far as rotary is concerned.

Before doing that though I think some balancing and centering drills on the flats will get you in a better stance that will allow you to flex and extend your legs more. Which will in turn allow you to use all three skills more selectively. Thus eliminating the need for the platform for speed control, or the platform from which you use the big rotory push off move to initialte the next turn.

Stepping around in a circle is the most simplistic drill but it will set you up to do thousand step turns later. So try some of those. Make two circles though. So the track left in the snow would resemble a figure eight. Once you can do that (at your level it shouldn't take too long) then I would move to gliding figure eights in a much larger circle. Concentrate on the gliding feeling between steps. Eventually move into doing two round turns using the step /glide movement. Finally, do it using a shuffle instead of a step.
post #7 of 14
these turns are very unfinished, which is usually the best you can do in the midwest w/o much vertical.

you have a large "up" movement and your movements are sorta on or off. after the up move you look kinda hunched over above the waist. continuous flow of mass down the hill is what you want.

as JASP suggests, trying working on a shallower pitch and get things smoother from one turn to the next.

speed hides a lot of flaws...

in good carving the inside ski / little toe starts the carve. in your turns your inside ankle moves closer to the outside ski, and then you can see where on the ski the spray comes from..

have patience and let the skis do more work
post #8 of 14

You link turns well and you have good movement turn to turn. The problem I see is you are using a surgical instrument as a scraper. There is no real shape to the turn by directing the ski tips through a circular path with the foot and tail of the ski following the path of the tip. In fact the foot and tail of the ski are being shoved in the opposite direction the tip is aiming. This movement pattern is fine if you want to stay a terminal intermediate, but your post states otherwise.

Two things to work into your skiing. In the transition, learn to flatten the skis and tip them to the new edges and then turn the skis on the edges in a path, tip first, with the foot and tail of the ski is following the same path.

This will put controllable shape in your turns, which is your speed control and give you a constant solid platform to balance from. I am sure a LIII instructor is floating around your local mountain somewhere, and can help you sort out your skiing.

post #9 of 14
Coyote, you've gotten some good feedback here. I too see issues with turn shape and tail pushing at the start of the turn. Using the body to turn with gross movements, rather than using the legs to turn with refined movements.

Check out this video I put together this year.

It shows a turning skills progression that is very common for learning skiers. Watch how Janis (the skier in the video) progresses from an up move and tail toss, to very refined leg steered turns, then finally to carved turns.

In the video she displays various stages of development, and typical problem areas. Use it to self-identify your own strengths and issues, and as a road map of where to go and what to shoot for in your skiing.
post #10 of 14
Good stuff doc, myself I think the turn shape will improve and the big up move will go away when he gets his legs more involved.
post #11 of 14

Very cool vid.

post #12 of 14
Thanks, Ron.
post #13 of 14
An addition thought I am wanting to suggest to you is that in one of your posts you talk about lengthening the turns a bit which would allow you to finish the turn without the push. Take the time to finish the turn but don't give up on the idea that you can make the same radius turn happen. It just takes more effort to bend the skis that much.
Additionally, the release move is one of the key areas that you need to learn to accomplish without the staccatto edge set. Many options exist but the simplest would be to get the outside ski edge angle reduced until the skis release. Try this in a side slip to get aquainted with the feeling of the skis releasing. Move onto falling leaf side slips, garlands and something called a fan progression. Which is an introduction to varying how much you change your line during the first half of the turn.
All of this is predicated on learning to use your legs more effectively and while I haven't been counting, you have quite a lot of ideas and activities to play with at this point. Just remember to include some non-drill play time as well. Far too many skiers get obsessed with technique and they squeeze all the life (fun) out of the sport while they are learning. That needs to stay balanced as well. after all it's recreation, not a job.
post #14 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thanks everyone! Really good stuff. I plan on going out this Sunday to work on some of this advice. I doubt I will have a chance to video tape this time, but in a few weeks, hopefully I can repost a video. Also, I planned a trip to the UP in late January. I think it's time for me to take a private lesson, will report back.

Happy New Year and Thanks again!
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