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If a person is "back"

post #1 of 6
Thread Starter 
This is a quote from a ski publication:

If a person is "back", (what I call retreating from the intended path), I will check to see when that retreat happens (is it in the fall-line consistently?), as well as with which body part. This is important because we usually retreat in one of two ways -with our heads or with our hips. I make this distinction because the cure for each way of retreating is different....

The question is what are the "cures" for these two ways of retreating from the intended path?

Please don't tell me to keep my head/hips forward.
post #2 of 6
Why not tell you head and hips?

Are those two parts of you on some independent study course or something? 'Out of your sphere of influence?

Put your head into what you are doing. You don't have to accept the limitations of ignorance. (Innocence is different.) Try it yourself and see!

As a thread topic, perhaps you could tell us what you would like to hear for instruction and then get critique on that.

post #3 of 6
Hi Jericho--

That was in a ski publication!? I think I'd start reading a different publication!

If you are "back," it means your skis have too much pressure on the tails--simple. This can happen because you moved your body--or the majority of it--"back," or it can happen because, as your feet raced forward down the hill and through the turn, you failed to keep up. The second is the more common cause of getting "back"--it happens even to very advanced skiers.

The solution is not as simple as just moving something forward--the hips or (especially) the head. These would both result in a different POSITION. They could help if your stance is off in the first place, but more likely, you need to become aware of a whole set of continuous MOVEMENTS (not positions) that must take place throughout the turn and through the transition to the next turn.

If you aren't able to take a lesson from a competent instructor (the best option), then see if you can get some pictures of yourself, or better yet some video, and post it in the forums here. We'll figure out what's going on!

Best regards,
Bob Barnes
post #4 of 6
Is being 'back' solely the result of 'retreating?' This somehow implies that the skier is pulling back, shying away, withdrawing -

In my own skiing I regularly find myself back in relation to the optimum sweet spot on my feet/skis, yet in no way am I retreating... this can happen in any phase of the turn.

It's a constant, fun, dynamic dance. But I'm certainly not pulling back (retreating) from my dance partner (the elements).

Might Retreating be too general? It certainly (to me) doesn't address those assertive/athletic types of skiers ...
post #5 of 6
Thread Starter 
As stated, I've read this is a ski publication, I'm not talking about myself. I do know of a person whose head "retreats" at the end of her turn. We probably know of many people who ski with their butts behind their boots. My concern is that to say "Put your head into what you are doing. You don't have to accept the limitations of ignorance" is not going to wrok. My concent about talking about the head is that the head comes forward, the butt goes back and the person perhaps is in a worse movementa pattern.

Bob Barnes:
Thanks, you point is the point of my concern. The solution/"cure"is not to talk about the symptom, but the root cause.

I can't answer your questions. I just read the guote and was hoping someone could elaborate on the "cures".

Back to the subject...
Most (no,the vast majority of advanced skiers) can see POSITIONS that should be changed to the advantage of the people they ski with. The problem is how to comunicate the correction. To simple say "keep your head moveing forward at the end of your turn" or, "keep your outside shoulder from twisting back up the hill" or "keep your movement down the hill, you are leaning back up the hill at the end of your turn". I believe these statement lead the pupil to some ackward movements and much frustration.

What do you people out there think?
post #6 of 6
You are correct in that the positions you refer to are the EFFECTS of earlier movements, not the CAUSE of the problem itself. The cause is generally a series of movements earlier in the turn. This is the essence of ski instruction, finding and correcting the cause of inefficient movements. It takes years of experience and a decided effort to learn how to recognize and then fix these little idiosycracies that we all have. Most recreational skiers have not had the oppurtunity to invest the time required to develop this level of understanding, hence they see the position and make suggestions on how to get out of that position without ever understanding how you ended up there in the first place. I beleive that this is where the inability to communicate comes from.
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