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Why is every NA ski resort wanting to be a replica of a European resort?

post #1 of 17
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Vail is busy saying: Look at the back bowls! 1000+ acres of open bowl terrain creating a EUROPEAN EXPERIENCE!

T-Ride is busy saying: New for 08-09 is Revelation Bowl! A true European experience!

Squaw Valley cut down a lot of their trees in the past decade. Why? The owner of the resort claims he wanted the resort to create more of a European experience!





Their are plenty more but: Why is every resort so desperate to create a resort in North America that is so much like Europe?
post #2 of 17
Marketing?
post #3 of 17
Why wouldn't they, the mountains there are more awesome.
post #4 of 17
I would tend to disagree. Most NA mountains are still fairly uniquely NA mountains.

However, we're all trying to copy Whistler's base area.
post #5 of 17
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Originally Posted by skiking4 View Post

Squaw Valley cut down a lot of their trees in the past decade. Why? The owner of the resort claims he wanted the resort to create more of a European experience!
I was noticing this very thing while I was at Squaw over the weekend, looking for some trees to ski. Same thing when I was riding the Swiss-made funitel, which seems like just a more comfortable gondola.

Likewise at the base, with its little hamlet of shops and restaurants and "Bientot!" signs. Very cheeky.

(my first-day-of-the-season skiing was unaffected, of course, and a great weekend was had by all)
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I was noticing this very thing while I was at Squaw over the weekend, looking for some trees to ski. Same thing when I was riding the Swiss-made funitel, which seems like just a more comfortable gondola.
Red Dog and Far East area is the place for tree skiing as Alex Cushing has decided to keep a little of it's "Americaness" by having top to bottom tree skiing available in this area. Of course, he cut down all the other trees lol. But the Funitel is much more than a more comfortable gondola; it works in high winds! I don't see, though, why it isn't used at all places.

But back on topic, why did Alex Cushing want to cut down all these trees just so he could make it more... European?
post #7 of 17
People want to get away from the everyday, and Europe is far away. Sure, the cow town and mining camp motifs also work in places, but Europe means "class" to North Americans, so it sells.
post #8 of 17
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Red Dog and Far East area is the place for tree skiing ......(snip)...to cut down all these trees just so he could make it more... European?
The trees in the Tahoe area were planted (re-forested, what a joke) by lumber companies after the entire, that is entire region (including Squaw) was clear cut around the turn of the century for lumber for the mining industry. This reforestation is an ecological disaster, grey fir trees have taken over from Cedars, Ponderosas and Jeffries, Red Firs. The forest now is an abberation of nature and should be revised, thinned, wherever possible, including Squaw, with a preference for the indiginous species so that they can take over again (they flourish farher apart). I can't speak to Alex's motivation, but I wish for the God's Japanese gardener to go to work making nature natural again around here. Tree skiing in the primary growth forest that once existed here would be amazing. Europe was clear cut longer ago, regrowth process at a different stage??
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The trees in the Tahoe area were planted (re-forested, what a joke) by lumber companies after the entire, that is entire region (including Squaw) was clear cut around the turn of the century for lumber for the mining industry Tree skiing in the primary growth forest that once existed here would be amazing. Europe was clear cut longer ago, regrowth process at a different stage??
That would be bitchin'
We can either get 150-year-old trees, or wait 150 to ski today's saplings. I know a cryogenics guy...
post #10 of 17
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That would be bitchin'
We can either get 150-year-old trees, or wait 150 to ski today's saplings. I know a cryogenics guy...
just saying, I think the first step is to give the indigenous species (there are a scattered few) a f'in break so they can thrive, unencumbered by those lousy grey firs, (lodgepole pines in other states). Also, I can't help thinking that the reason that coyotes are the only thriving species has something to do with the crowded nature of our forest.
post #11 of 17
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just saying, I think the first step is to give the indigenous species (there are a scattered few) a f'in break so they can thrive, unencumbered by those lousy grey firs, (lodgepole pines in other states). Also, I can't help thinking that the reason that coyotes are the only thriving species has something to do with the crowded nature of our forest.
I wasn't mocking you at all (that would happen on TGR, right?

I really do wish I could ski in those trees.
post #12 of 17
I skied in New Zealand this summer, there were no trees on the mountains at all. I liked it a lot, it was very different, lots of open lines, no idea what trails i was on, and it was kinda nice
post #13 of 17
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Their are plenty more but: Why is every resort so desperate to create a resort in North America that is so much like Europe?
'coz 1 € = US$ 1.398

and European resorts ought to, by definition, be what Europeans want.

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This has been another in a series of simple answers to simple questions.
post #14 of 17
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I skied in New Zealand this summer, there were no trees on the mountains at all. I liked it a lot, it was very different, lots of open lines, no idea what trails i was on, and it was kinda nice
I enjoyed this type of skiing in France last year...except during a storm when it meant really flat light/no visibility. I still think tree skiing is my favorite, but the low tree line over there meant that at times you had the choice skiing good snow with no visibility up high or be able to see the bad snow/rain/ice in the trees down low.

What I would really like to see at some of the American resorts (besides 6,000+ ft of vertical) are the locally owned independent on mountain restaurants that are often kilometers from the nearest lift.
post #15 of 17
Because EVERYTHING is better in Europe. Did you *KNOW* that? Just look at all the stupid infomercials on late at night, all those products have been used in Europe for years because they're cool and Americans are not. LOL.

Thankfully my home mountain is just trying to be what it is, some of the pest powder skiing on earth, including europe.
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Originally Posted by skiking4 View Post
Vail is busy saying: Look at the back bowls! 1000+ acres of open bowl terrain creating a EUROPEAN EXPERIENCE!

T-Ride is busy saying: New for 08-09 is Revelation Bowl! A true European experience!

Squaw Valley cut down a lot of their trees in the past decade. Why? The owner of the resort claims he wanted the resort to create more of a European experience!





Their are plenty more but: Why is every resort so desperate to create a resort in North America that is so much like Europe?
Well, from reading what you just said, I guess most NA Resorts are more often trails cut through a hillside/mountainside of trees, than wide open bowls. For a day with good light, skiing bowls is my favorite, especially if there is fresh snow. I wasn't aware that bowels were a Euro thing though? Perhaps it is more a lack of trees on many of their resorts that is being pushed for a more off piste experience? Trails through trees are normally groomed at NA resorts. So, I am guessing it is off piste conditions being billed as a Euro experience.
post #17 of 17
I much prefer sub-alpine skiing- wide open white space is not very scenic. Rocketing through the trees on a cut run or in a glade takes my vote any day over bowl skiing- there's just so much more to see.
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