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Head i.XRC 1200 - but in 163 or 177...???

post #1 of 23
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Dear EpicSki'ers,

I have a pair of K2 Apache Outlaws (07/08) - perfect skis that I just love. But mainly off-piste...

I am now looking for a ski to use on piste. I am looking for a ski that works good on hard groomed piste and with both short and long turns and... lot of speed...

I have the possibility of buying a pair of Head i.XRC 1200 (season 06/07) - but I can buy them in either 163cm or 177cm.

For your info I am 5"11 (180 cm) and weigh around 80 kg. I am a very good skier and I ski aggressively.

My concers are:
  • will the 177cm (which has a longer turn radius than the 163) feel less different than a 163 cm - and I am looking for something different than my Apache Outlaw
  • is a 163cm stiffer that a 177cm ?, and will this (in combination with the shorter length) mean, that I with the stiffness and shorter turn radius will get a ski that is more suitable for shorter turns, but more nervous at high speeds ?

Reading my own arguments I would probably say, that 163 is the right length ?

Last year I tryed an Atomic Race SL 12 in 165cm - and I just loved this ski. But this ski is EXTREMELY expensive in Europe. I believe, that the Head i.XRC in 163 is much more similar to the Atomic that the Head in 177 would be - is this correct...???

Hoping to hear from you guys.

Best regards,
Thomas, Denmark
post #2 of 23
I understand that the 163 is a significantly softer ski than the 170+ lengths. It's not meant for someone your size......
post #3 of 23
The XRC 1200 skis more like a GS ski than a SL ski. At your size the 177 is the correct length. By buying a 163 you will not get the SL-like performance you are seeking - you will only get a crappy, unstable ski that isn't suited for your size.
Later
Greg
post #4 of 23
Check out the Head Supershape Speed in a 170cm. I have not skied the XRC, but was told by the head Rep. it was an all around, not really good at anything ski. If you are looking for a versatile on piste ripper I don't think you can beat the SS speed.

The SS speed is a fabulous ski. I am 6' 190 and ski the 177. this has become my favorite ski!
post #5 of 23
163cm is too short for you. I had the 170 (I'm 6', 185#), and it wasn't enough for me - not even close.
post #6 of 23
What you want is a sl sidecut ski in 165 or a gs or sx sidecut ski in about 177. Getting a gs or even an sx ski in 163 won't be much good.

If you want sl turns, consider other SL skis that may be cheaper.
post #7 of 23
177cm for sure!
post #8 of 23
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
I have not skied the XRC, but was told by the head Rep. it was an all around, not really good at anything ski.
Unclear if you (or the OP) mean the 06-07 XRC 1200 SW's (gold with Head logo in blue); these ARE the WC iSpeeds from the next two seasons (and the RD from 05-06). If you mean these, definitely VERY good at ripping GS arcs (own a pair); your source is full of s**t. (Just go read the reviews/comments by owners who use them as cheaters if you don't believe me.) Suspect rather you're confusing them with latter 1200's, which were a different ski, different specs.

OP: I've skied the 163's in these, own the 170's. I weigh 162. The 163's were fine for rec skiing at decent speeds, carve like demons, while the 170's are very much GS cheaters at my size, no realistic speed limit, love big arcs. Suspect for you, everything moves up a notch; the 170's would be fine but the 177's will give you the real deal in performance. Forget the 163's.
post #9 of 23
I thought they were a great ski too, if only a little longer. They were terrific at Med/Long radius turns if I didn't push too hard, and that was simply because they were a bit small for me. I ran the 170's in moguls, and they ROCKED.
post #10 of 23
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
Unclear if you (or the OP) mean the 06-07 XRC 1200 SW's (gold with Head logo in blue); these ARE the WC iSpeeds from the next two seasons (and the RD from 05-06). If you mean these, definitely VERY good at ripping GS arcs (own a pair); your source is full of s**t. (Just go read the reviews/comments by owners who use them as cheaters if you don't believe me.) Suspect rather you're confusing them with latter 1200's, which were a different ski, different specs.

OP: I've skied the 163's in these, own the 170's. I weigh 162. The 163's were fine for rec skiing at decent speeds, carve like demons, while the 170's are very much GS cheaters at my size, no realistic speed limit, love big arcs. Suspect for you, everything moves up a notch; the 170's would be fine but the 177's will give you the real deal in performance. Forget the 163's.
I am not confusing them with anything! He said the XRC 1200 no mention of SW???

maybe you are confusing the XRC 1220 with the SW

By the way my source is not FOS! He has been the PNW Head Rep. for years and will ski your sorry ass into the ground!
post #11 of 23

and the winner is...

HEAD for the best naming convention designed to totally confuse the customer into buying a cheap ski based on the reputation of a good one.

This might help
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...ight=head+1200
post #12 of 23
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
HEAD for the best naming convention designed to totally confuse the customer into buying a cheap ski based on the reputation of a good one.

This might help
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...ight=head+1200
Beyond is completly FOS!!

the i.speed didn't come out until 08/09! there was no such ski before that. there was the WC Supershape Speed which I own!The i.Race and the Rd Gs

I have the different skis years lengths dimensions and radii all written out! But since I just got home from skiing over 20K verts in over 2 feet of powder all day on a new pair of MOJO 94's and am beat, i'll post all the info on all the Head skis correctly tomorrow!

All i can say now is he is FOS!!!!! and does not know what the hell he is talking about!
post #13 of 23
BTW scroll down to Canuckinstructor's post in the thread I linked.
(how do you do the single post link again?)
post #14 of 23
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
BTW scroll down to Canuckinstructor's post in the thread I linked.
(how do you do the single post link again?)
Actually there is a bunch of misinfo in that post too!

the later XRC 1200 was not called the XRC 1200 SW it was just the XRC 1200 for example!

there is more! later!!

Nighty night!
post #15 of 23
I'm really looking forward to the definitive HEAD list.

Skiing at Chicopee (http://www.skichicopee.com/themes/ch.../Trail_Map.jpg )was about two inches of granular sugar on top of hardpack with patches of ice here and there. Not much vertical there, but I had fun. My daughter too had fun, even though she wanted more steeper terrain, and couldn't follow me up MicMac to get to Chicane from North without having to skate. I impressed upon her the importance of turning without losing speed.
post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
Beyond is completly FOS!!

the i.speed didn't come out until 08/09! there was no such ski before that. there was the WC Supershape Speed which I own!The i.Race and the Rd Gs

All i can say now is he is FOS!!!!! and does not know what the hell he is talking about!
Calm down and take your meds, Atomicman. I'm looking at my 1200's, from 06-07, on the forward ski surface they simply say iXRC liquid metal and on the back, 1200. In very small green print behind the heel they say "WC Sandwich Technology," and the original Head sticker (which I still have), says "iXCR 1200 SW w CP13." Now, if you check various pictorial sites such as Real Skiers, it shows a picture of this exact ski and has a review. Which among other things, mentions that it's the same as last year's (05-06) RD. All good so far?

OK, now pay attention: As far as I know, there was no "1200" other than this produced in 06-07. There was an iXCR 1100 that looked the same as the 1200 in terms of graphics but had slightly different specs and was a cap. There was also a XCR 1400 chip, you may recall, in black. And a blue XCR 800, (which I reviewed long ago for Epic) and so on. No simple "1200."

Now in 07-08, Head released the WC Supershape and Supershape Speed. Both were i skis, and both say so on the ski itself ("intelligence" is imprinted on the little prong shaped metal insert just ahead of the toe). I can say this with some certainty because I'm looking at my 07-08 SS's right now, and a good pic of the Speeds.

You also seem to be getting all excited because you think that the this year's (08-09) graphics and logo somehow make this the first year they made the iSpeed. ("The iSpeed didn't come out before 08/09! There was no such ski before that.).")

Wrong. It's been around three seasons now: Here's the copy about the iSpeed from Head's 07-08 catalogue: "Introduced LAST YEAR (my caps) for race carvers, ski instructors, and other competitive thinkers, the iSupershape Speed comes back for more." For this season (08-09) which you refer to as the iSupershape Speed's introduction, the i Supershape Speed remained unchanged. (Again, refer to current Head catalogue.)

I'm not sure your measurements help here. Head was/is always tinkering with the exact dimensions, a millimeter here or there, but the real issue in terms of lineage was sandwich vs cap, and flex pattern. Everything with an XCR was/is i and LM, even the 300's.

Now I suspect here's the place you and your memories of your esteemed rep's statement are getting confused: In this same year (07-08), Head also released a XCR 1200, yellow-green with blue logo, that was a different ski both dimensionally and in construction than the old 1200; it was actually a replacement for the previous year's 1100. And it did get blah reviews. That is probably the 1200 you keep remembering.

But the OP specifically stated that his 1200 was the 06-07 version. So IF your rep thought THAT year's 1200 was mediocre, then his opinion goes against not just mine, but everyone else on the friggin web, and here, and a lot of guys who rec race. So if he was referring to 06-07, (which I don't think he was), I don't care if he taught Bode how to run gates, IMHO he's dead wrong. (In fact, what does this guy's skiing ability - or mine - have to do with what is basically (another) in the line of endless arguments over Head model numbers and representations, anyway? Bob Peters is a great skier, and has been know to get confused by Head's model name changes.)

But the truth is, you got mixed up by one model year, and won't ever ever be able to admit it.
post #17 of 23
Thanks for the info on the XCR line up. I thought that was made by Elan. What can you tell me about the XRC line up?
post #18 of 23
Oops. I have serious issues between my brain and my fingers. Yeah all that goes for the XRC too.
post #19 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by beyond View Post
Calm down and take your meds, Atomicman. I'm looking at my 1200's, from 06-07, on the forward ski surface they simply say iXRC liquid metal and on the back, 1200. In very small green print behind the heel they say "WC Sandwich Technology," and the original Head sticker (which I still have), says "iXCR 1200 SW w CP13." Now, if you check various pictorial sites such as Real Skiers, it shows a picture of this exact ski and has a review. Which among other things, mentions that it's the same as last year's (05-06) RD. All good so far?

OK, now pay attention: As far as I know, there was no "1200" other than this produced in 06-07. There was an iXCR 1100 that looked the same as the 1200 in terms of graphics but had slightly different specs and was a cap. There was also a XCR 1400 chip, you may recall, in black. And a blue XCR 800, (which I reviewed long ago for Epic) and so on. No simple "1200."

Now in 07-08, Head released the WC Supershape and Supershape Speed. Both were i skis, and both say so on the ski itself ("intelligence" is imprinted on the little prong shaped metal insert just ahead of the toe). I can say this with some certainty because I'm looking at my 07-08 SS's right now, and a good pic of the Speeds.

You also seem to be getting all excited because you think that the this year's (08-09) graphics and logo somehow make this the first year they made the iSpeed. ("The iSpeed didn't come out before 08/09! There was no such ski before that.).")

Wrong. It's been around three seasons now: Here's the copy about the iSpeed from Head's 07-08 catalogue: "Introduced LAST YEAR (my caps) for race carvers, ski instructors, and other competitive thinkers, the iSupershape Speed comes back for more." For this season (08-09) which you refer to as the iSupershape Speed's introduction, the i Supershape Speed remained unchanged. (Again, refer to current Head catalogue.)

I'm not sure your measurements help here. Head was/is always tinkering with the exact dimensions, a millimeter here or there, but the real issue in terms of lineage was sandwich vs cap, and flex pattern. Everything with an XCR was/is i and LM, even the 300's.

Now I suspect here's the place you and your memories of your esteemed rep's statement are getting confused: In this same year (07-08), Head also released a XCR 1200, yellow-green with blue logo, that was a different ski both dimensionally and in construction than the old 1200; it was actually a replacement for the previous year's 1100. And it did get blah reviews. That is probably the 1200 you keep remembering.

But the OP specifically stated that his 1200 was the 06-07 version. So IF your rep thought THAT year's 1200 was mediocre, then his opinion goes against not just mine, but everyone else on the friggin web, and here, and a lot of guys who rec race. So if he was referring to 06-07, (which I don't think he was), I don't care if he taught Bode how to run gates, IMHO he's dead wrong. (In fact, what does this guy's skiing ability - or mine - have to do with what is basically (another) in the line of endless arguments over Head model numbers and representations, anyway? Bob Peters is a great skier, and has been know to get confused by Head's model name changes.)

But the truth is, you got mixed up by one model year, and won't ever ever be able to admit it.
1st off, you didn't need to say the head Rep was full of shit! that is what set me off. A simple we had it wrong would have sufficed.

But actually you are incorrect. the '06-07 ski is listed as an '07 on RealSkiers. The XRC 1200 which is actually an '07 ('06-07) was the previous 1100 Rd

and again you got your years mixed up. The Supershape Speed came out in '06-07. I won a pair and they are on their 3rd season. Pay special attention, sisnce you were attempting to be so sarcastic and all seeing and all knowing

06-07, 07-08 and 08-09

the ispeed is a completly different ski and just came out this year 08-09 considered an '09 model. it is not the i.supershape Speed which apparantly you are trying to refer to as the i.speed, which it is not!

So now that we cleared all this up. Since yopu totally confused the years. the OP was talking about the wider XRC 1200 from 06-07 (A 2007 model ski) this is not the XRC 1200 Sw of your that was a balls out race ski!

soory dude , but you are Beyond!
post #20 of 23
Come on A-man; that's hardly a definitive list, just a correction of errors.

Lets have the year and model of all the Head SW skis starting in say the 2005-2006 season.

Until then I maintain if it's a sidewall construction Head ski, no matter what number or designation they put on it, it rips.
post #21 of 23
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
Come on A-man; that's hardly a definitive list, just a correction of errors.

Lets have the year and model of all the Head SW skis starting in say the 2005-2006 season.

Until then I maintain if it's a sidewall construction Head ski, no matter what number or designation they put on it, it rips.
Yeah, yeah, I'll get to it!!! Or Beyond it soon!
post #22 of 23
Let me know when the d**k-waving clinic is done...
post #23 of 23

Sorry, gotta say it...

Atomicman - Go the F up. So what if someone on a blog says your Head rep is FOS. Seems more like a cat fight...


Amyway, I do have a legit question....
I skied the XRC 1200 (06/07) and damn that was the best pair of sticks I have skied. I am now buying a new pair and looking at either buying the 1200 from that year...or looking for suggestions from this forum for other skis that handle similarly...fast edge to edge, stable high speed carver...and highly responsive. Any suggestions?/Favorites?

Here's my list:
Head XRC 1200-SW (06/07 model - SNOW ROCKETS!!)
K2 Apache Crossfire (tried once, like it)
Fischer RC-4 (never skied)
Volkl X-Cross-ED
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