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Salomon Falcon 10 vs Tecnica Dragon 120 Ski Boots

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
I'm 5'10" and 165 lbs and need new ski boots. I've had the same Lange's now for about 12 years.

In terms of ability, I can ski pretty much anything in bounds (other than perhaps dropping 10 feet into Courbets Couloir), although my fundamentals aren't truly solid. I like moguls quite a bit. I want my boots to be very responsive in terms of translating my movements to my skis.

I'm on Dynastar Contact 11's now.

I want to buy ski boots locally, but my choices are somewhat limited. I tried on some Tecnica Agent 90 boots and they fit great, but were too "intermediate" for me I think. They have some Solomon Falcon 10's on sale that fit pretty well, though not as snug or as comfortable as the Agents.

And they are bringing in from another store some Tecnica Dragon 120's for me to try on.

They also have Nordica Speedmachine 14's that they could bring in from another store for me to try on, but I tried on another pair of Nordica's and didn't like the fit (and they can only bring in one pair of boots from another store at a time). Finally, they could probably special order Solomon Falcon CS boots for me, but then I'd have to buy before even trying them on.

I realize that I'll probably go with the pair that fits best, but any advice on which boots would be better for me in terms of performance?

Thanks in advance.
post #2 of 16
Assuming a foot that could use either one, the Falcon 10 will be a higher performance fit because it is lower volume than the Dragon.

SJ
post #3 of 16
the falcon cs will fit exactly like the falcon 10, but are easily expandable for width due to the custom shell inserts.

was the falcon 10 you tried the same size as the agent 90? sounds a little funny that you found it to be roomier than the falcon..

the agent 90 was built off the same shell as the diablo wasnt it? thats considerably roomier inside than the falcon 10, which is a fairly narrow forefoot and low instep...
post #4 of 16
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the agent 90 was built off the same shell as the diablo wasnt it?
I think the agent 90 is the same last as the Dragon.
The agent 120 uses the Diablo last.
post #5 of 16
I'm not a boot fitter like Jim but I do spend a lot of time on snow.

I wear a size 12 nike. I'm skiing a Dragon 120 and last years falcon race. Both in a 28.5, the dragon has a boot sole length of 325mm and the falcon 326mm.

For my foot here are the fit differences.

The falcon is a snugger fit all the way around and works on my foot very well. It is somewhat painful to get on and off.

The Dragon has more volume everywhere but does feel like it's slightly shorter in total length than the falcon. It might just be a short liner because the boot shell fits correctly. I'm hoping with a few more days the liner will pack a little and everything will be good.
post #6 of 16
from the pics on the tecnica site it looks like the agent 95 uses the same shell as last years diablo magnesium...shorter cuff height, higher volume with the dual pivot alignment/flex adjust thingie...

the agent 110 seems to be a dragon and the 130 looks like a diablo race...
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by broad View Post
the agent 110 seems to be a dragon and the 130 looks like a diablo race...
Your right. I had my numbers mixed up. You can tell by the boot sole.
post #8 of 16
I'm now in my 3rd season with the Falcon 10. (me - 5"11, 182). The snow feel is exceptional, heel retention is great (although I added a heel wrap & custom footbeds). It is the most precise boot I have ever used other than full-bore race boots; it's very responsive and works in all conditions. My only gripe is that the shell really digs into my instep when I take them off. I've tried angling my foot every direction, but have concluded that there is no good solution, so I just rip them off as fast as possible and try not to cuss too loud. I can't offer any feedback on the Technica - never tried them. As with any boot, go with what fits the best. The Falcon does not fit a lot of people, but if you have a Falcon-foot, you'll love it.
post #9 of 16
I just bought the Dragon 120s after trying the Agent 110s (too soft). The liner in the Dragon/Agent is an UltraFit liner, which is almost uncomfortably snug just trying them on. I found the liner required significant heating to form to my feet, but once done fit great and coupled with a orthotic, they are the most dialed in boots I every had, I highly recommend the Dragon's unless you are more of a free skier and find yourself landing from jumps frequently.
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by powjunkie View Post
My only gripe is that the shell really digs into my instep when I take them off. I've tried angling my foot every direction, but have concluded that there is no good solution, so I just rip them off as fast as possible and try not to cuss too loud.
I'm having the same trouble getting my new Falcons off. The best way I've discovered, is to use the tongue loop and really pull the tongue forward while pulling my foot out.

The other complaint I have is that this is the coldest ski boot I've ever used. I had to buy a case of those chemical toe warmers at Costco, and they have helped tremendously. Only trouble is they rub the top of my foot and cause some discomfort. Still less discomfort than frozen toes, however.

AM.
post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by Attacking Mid View Post
The other complaint I have is that this is the coldest ski boot I've ever used. I had to buy a case of those chemical toe warmers at Costco, and they have helped tremendously. Only trouble is they rub the top of my foot and cause some discomfort. Still less discomfort than frozen toes, however.

AM.
Boot Gloves work if you can get past the dork factor.
post #12 of 16
I recently bought the Dragon 100s. The 120s just didn't fit me due to the lower volume. I have a high instep and my foot is fairly wide. I've put 4 days on them so far, and have broken the toe piece (the replaceable piece under the toe) twice from ejecting. I bought them at the Boot Doctor in Taos, who I highly recommend, and they made some adjustments after the first toe piece breakage, that made a huge difference for day 3 and 4. I need to go in again to get the toe piece replaced yet again, and may discuss switching to something else.

So, I like the boot fit and performance, but am frustrated in them breaking every 2nd day of skiing.
post #13 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the good advice.

My local shop seems darn unresponsive about getting these boots in for me to try.

And it is impossible for any boot to be more difficult to get on and off than my 14-year old Langes. Not only is it incredibly difficult and painful, but takes a karate-like grunt and I feel like I nearly pull a muscle every time!
post #14 of 16
Where do I start.

First off the boot fitter should look at your feet, watch you walk, check the soles of your everyday shoes, check how your knees move when you flex, then recomend a few boots for you to try.

I have a Tecnica foot but we go through the same process every 4 or 5 years, to make sure nothing has changed.

I bought my Dragons 12 ski day's ago. Love them, I tried the Salomon and a Nordica but they were to low volume for me. After a couple of trips back for shiming and inserts the boots feel almost perfect.

I enjoy the performance gain from the Tecnica Fires.

Find a boot fitter near where you ski the most, that way you can stop in after a day or two in the new boots and have them adjusted.

If your serious spend the extra money for custom foot beds. I'm on the same foot beds made for me back about 1995.
post #15 of 16
Thread Starter 
How long does it takes to buy ski boots and have them custom fit?I may have an afternoon to kill in the Park City area in February, but I'd need the boots to be ready for skiing the next day.
post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 
I bought the Falcon 10's last night. Heated up, they fit perfectly and felt great. Felt much better when I flexed forward than the Dragon 120s.

I'm going to get a custom footbed for more arch support. I felt like they could have been a little snugger and hopefully this will help that too.

Thanks again for feedback.
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