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Paging Bob Peters to the white "I'm OK" courtesy phone...

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Reports are flying of a couple serious inbounds slides at JHMR. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one here who'd love to hear confirmation that you & yours are OK...
post #2 of 21
Huge dumps of snow are very exciting but also extremely powerful.
Thoughts and prayers for all involved in this.
post #3 of 21
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Thoughts and prayers for all involved in this.
Indeed... +++++++++
post #4 of 21
I heard of one fatality over on TGR.

Not a good start to the season at all.
post #5 of 21
I'm fine and thanks for the thoughts.

I knew something bad was happening when they closed the gondola very suddenly at about 1:50. Ten minutes after that, my ski school supervisor called my cell asking if my clients and I were all accounted for and okay.

Lots of rumors are out there right now. I've heard about slides in Alta Two chute and in Paintbrush/Tower Three/Toilet Bowl. I've heard from somebody who probably (unfortunately) would be in a position to know and there appears to be at least one fatality in the Toilet Bowl slide. All of this is second or third or fourth-hand at this point.

There are very, very bad snow layers out there and more snow on the way.

Yesterday, many tourists were complaining about how slow the ski patrol has been to open the mountain after this last big dump.
post #6 of 21
Glad you're okay, Bob.
Continued prayers, as this unfolds.
post #7 of 21
Bob, so glad you're okay! My thoughts and prayers are with those involved.
post #8 of 21
Glad you're all right, Bob. I too look forward to more news, and I hope there are no more fatalities or serious injuries.

Best regards,
Bob Barnes
post #9 of 21
One fatality. http://www.jacksonholenews.com/article.php?art_id=4064

Edit: Note that he was wearing a beacon and they found him in six and had him dug up in ten - well within the 15 minute window. Wonder if trauma played a role... Sure, wearing a beacon didn't save the individual but it gave him the best chance possible. Wear 'em if you got 'em folks.

Big time vibes to his friends and family.
post #10 of 21
Pardon my language, but this season has been ******* crazy. I'm starting to question my own safety majorly. If I was heading out west right now, I just wouldn't go because with all these ******* avalanches it's just WAY too unsafe.

Be safe out there guys.

RIP David Nodine. You shall not be forgotten.
post #11 of 21
On SkiDiva, one of the ladies described the snow this year as, Plywood on ball bearings.
post #12 of 21
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Yesterday, many tourists were complaining about how slow the ski patrol has been to open the mountain after this last big dump.
Don't you love them? Avalanches are just like traffic jams, y'know. You can just talk to someone and get someone fired.

Sounds like it's all happening over there. i remember skiing Copper back in 01/02, and a month later patrol had a good go at the chutes we'd been on (they had suspicions) and it slid back to the dirt.

Makes you think.
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Don't you love them?
When their $$$ is paying my bills, I guess the answer is yes.
post #14 of 21
and that's why I'm not teaching any more!
post #15 of 21
The tourists are not as knowledgeable about the dangers. I'm sure its frustrating to them that they see closures that they don't understand. Worse, still, is the frustration of the resort/safety personnel who's job is to help the tourists understand.
Not an easy position, I'm sure.
post #16 of 21
It's not the tourists fault for questioning.

Insulting your customers because they lack the experience and knowledge to understand the situation is not a good idea -- kind of like biting the hand that feeds you. JMHR exists because of the tourist dollars. In fact, the town of Jackson Hole itself would not exist without tourist dollars. Like any other resort, without the tourists and the money they bring with them, there would be no JMHR, no Tram, no need for avalanche control and patrollers, ski insructors and guides etc.
post #17 of 21
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It's not the tourists fault for questioning.
Insulting tourists is not a good idea -- kind of like biting the hand that feeds you. .
Very true, but the patrol are not our enemy.

They work on the "maximize the joy" principal. Closing an area may cost some people their powder fix, but save a life and grief. Enforcing slow zones bums out some people, but allows other to enjoy themselves. The aim is for a net gain.

In this tragic case they are all wondering if they could have done something better. They take it harder than anyone.
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by newfydog View Post
Very true, but the patrol are not our enemy.

They work on the "maximize the joy" principal. Closing an area may cost some people their powder fix, but save a life and grief. Enforcing slow zones bums out some people, but allows other to enjoy themselves. The aim is for a net gain.

In this tragic case they are all wondering if they could have done something better. They take it harder than anyone.
Yes. It sounds like a very serious situation. Patrol has no choice but to close areas they see as unsafe.

Naturally, toursits will be dissapointed, they just don't understand. I am sure when they here about the fatality, they will understand the gravity of the situation.
post #19 of 21
First, condolences and vibes to the victims and their friends and families.

Actually closures are a lot like traffic jams. If I know there is a jacknifed truck ahead I feel a lot better than if I sitting in ignorance.
I have no idea what is done to keep the tourists (such as me) informed about reasons and expected length of closures -- I hope it is a lot. (Of course, there is always some percentage of any group that will continue to be jerks no matter what. But give the majority of us a chance to be reasonable and responsible.)

About the snow -- Is there anything that can be done to make it safe? Is the crust still there under what slid, waiting to build up a new unstable layer?
post #20 of 21
I've been in the lines that weren't moving, both before and after this trgic event. Most of the people around me seemed to understand that it is for their safety. None of the people that I spoke to were beligerant or pissed. They mostly seemed to feel like I did... "Take as long as you need.... Please! do it faster!" I know that the JHSP is one of the best in the world. I am super impressed with their responce time in this incident. They had him in about 15 min from under eight feet of snow! Thats increadable! Too bad I can only hold my breath for about 2 min. My friend shoot video of the rescue and was telling me how well organized and effective it was. We should remember this and not just that someone died.
post #21 of 21
To Bob and the rest of the JH members,

I'll be out there with my family and my wife's sister's family starting Thursday through next Tuesday. At 43, with a wife who's 34 and a daughter who is 9, I PREFER that my family's safety is the resort's concern. Fine by me if they close the mountain. I can ski another day as long as I'm alive. I'm sorry for those who lost their lives this season and before. I'm sure their families and friends miss them. So, no complaints from me if my ski trip gets interrupted. I won't be happy about it, but the employees at the resort are trained professionals. I must rely on them for my safety and the safety of my family. Anyone who doesn't understand that is out of line for the rest of us.

I wasn't sure if I'd ski with an instructor like I did for 3 of the 4 days I did last year.

However, in light of the news, I'll be skiing with an instructor. For the one day I skied alone last year, I got into some very precarious situations.

With the threat of an avalanche, I'm not going to take the chance of skiing without sound knowledge of the mountain.

I benefitted from the lessons last year to become a better skier. This year lessons will be to become a better skier and to be safe. Last year I finished a solid 9 on and off-piste. So, this year can only get better.

See you soon, ski smart, have fun and God bless.

Regards,
Mark
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