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Help: What are the lightest ski/ binding combo in 160 cm for a female intermediate skier?

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
Wife complaining that her Stockli Spirit EDs (157cm) with Vist plate and binding are too heavy (mainly the carrying rather than the skiing - loves them once they are on her feet).

Built like a twig, 5'9" and 130 lbs, strong in the sense that she can dance for hours (dance teacher) but a bit of a wimp in the lifting/ carrying department (not helped by a serious back injury two years ago - we are actually lucky that she is skiing at all).

She loves the skiing part of skiing but I would happily spend whatever it takes to get a pair of skis that ski well like the Stockli does but are overall a fair bit lighter.

The skis must still ski well, ie high speed upper intermediate that can generate a fair bit of force due to long limbs and incredible balance and timing. Nothing wider than 76mm underfoot (has Doughboys for real powder) and capable of coping with Whistler all season conditions, mainly on piste but will venture off/ between piste when it is nice and fluffy.

All suggestions from the Epic ladies, instructors and husbands that have heard similar complaints from similar sized wives (and solved the problem) welcome.

We will discuss the magic, one button "I am now warmly dressed for skiing without any pfaff" suit at a later date!
post #2 of 24
try here: http://www.theskidiva.com/

or talk to scott (dawgcatching) about some of the Elan womens ski

my wife and my mom both got deals from Scott, but at a slightly lower ability level. (but the skis are light)

soft snow skis are often lighter but give the up the hardpack performance..

some of the binding junkies might also have suggestion wrt weight if you buy a ski flat

good luck
post #3 of 24
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Originally Posted by docbrad66 View Post
try here: http://www.theskidiva.com/

or talk to scott (dawgcatching) about some of the Elan womens ski

my wife and my mom both got deals from Scott, but at a slightly lower ability level. (but the skis are light)

soft snow skis are often lighter but give the up the hardpack performance..

some of the binding junkies might also have suggestion wrt weight if you buy a ski flat

good luck
The Elan woman's skis with the fusion bindings are heavier than lighter.

Actually, one of the reasons the STOCKLI skis so well is that there is a bit of weight in the ski, to get a lighter ski, it would be less of a ski too. You could replace the current Vist system, which is indeed heavy with a Salomon Z10Ti which is a lightweight performance binding. I would swap the Vists/plates for a new pair of Z10Ti's for you.
post #4 of 24
I have those Salomon Z10Tis on a pair of Volkls, and I think they're great. I'm close to the same size as your wife, but a bit more poundage.
post #5 of 24
I'm with Philpug on the thought of trading weight for performance.
If she's looking for a ski to compliment her STOCKLI, then there are some nice, lighter options. But then they won't do the same thing the STOCKLI does.
Changing the binding system is a good place to start, if you want to trim some weight.
post #6 of 24
The Fischer Female specific line of skis are as light as any on the market, while providing great performance. Consider the VISION BREEZE RF VI

"For demanding skiers. Easy to ski thanks to Hybrid Tech2. Thanks to its Composite Frame Construction, this allround ski is precise, fast and stable. Easy handling and good control in all conditions".

http://www.fischerskis.com/en/produc..._product=17935

My daughter uses the Fischer RX9 in a 160cm and the ski is quick and stable without being heavy.

Michael
post #7 of 24
remove the vist plate?
post #8 of 24
maybe Goode has a nice lightweight offering meeting your needs...
post #9 of 24
Simple, YOU carry them for her!!!
post #10 of 24
HAHA, If my husband carried my skis, I'd drop dead from shock.
post #11 of 24
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Originally Posted by at_nyc View Post
Simple, YOU carry them for her!!!
Well, since most women I know actually do ski frequently without their husband/boyfriend that's probably not the best solution.

I agree with the others that say that starting with changing the binding set up would be good.
post #12 of 24
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by spyderracer393 View Post
maybe Goode has a nice lightweight offering meeting your needs...
Which will ski like a noodle and de-laminate more often than not. They should stick to waterskis.
post #13 of 24
Wildcat, I got the Fischer Vision Breeze (in 146 cm) for my wife. I would say the Breeze is every bit as stiff a ski as my RX8's, possibly stiffer (could that be due to the extremely short length?). Weight-wise, comparing the Breeze and RX8, and compensating for length, I'd say the weight of the Vision Breeze is about the same as the RX8 if the lengths were the same (Breeze is wider than the RX8, but the binding on the Breeze is lighter).

I wouldn't call my RX8's heavy skis, but I would say that my Atomic Nomad Crimsons are noticably lighter on a pounds per cm of surface area basis (even though the NEOX 4-12 bindings are probably heavier than the railflex bindings on the RX8).

If you don't think dropping the vist plates and switching to the solly Z10 binding will do the trick (it sounds like a very good idea to me), and if both weight and performance are considerations, perhaps you should consider the older Atomic IZOR 9:7 or IZOR 7:5 with the 4tix bindings as an option (there may have been a woman-specific equivalents produced by Atomic, if so I suspect Trekchick or COSkiGirl can identify them). You should still be able to find the Atomic IZORs on e-bay and on various web sites. Helm Sports is one site I know of that still carries IZORs. If you search you should be able to locate others. I demoed the 9:7 a couple of years ago (did not buy it, but liked it). I think it may meet your needs.

Good luck,

STE
post #14 of 24
Andrew R, I'm not familiar with the Dynastar line but a woman on SkiDiva who is familiar with their line took the time to read this thread and sent me this message:

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Tell this guy to have his SO check out Dynastar Exclusive Legends (int-adv) and/or Exclusive Legend Powders (adv-exp). These skis are ridiculously light - to the point where when I got my EL's, I was thinking, "Right, THESE will perform - not." I can literally hold them between thumb and forefinger. Coupled with the Dynastar(Look) Exclusive (a/k/a Nova) binding, and these skis are the lightest I've owned in 35 years of skiing.

Once had hauling issues myself (couple years of residual frozen shoulder/adhesive capsulitis). This lady would be mega-happy (provided her skill range is suited).

Just checked thread again - no wider than 76, so it would be the EL for her (75), Pow is 85.
158 would do it for her.
post #15 of 24
Thread Starter 
TrekChick - you are the mountain of knowledge as far as women's skis are concerned (helped by your extensive quiver and serious new ski addiction no doubt) thank you.
post #16 of 24
Don't throw the baby out with the bath water here. The Stockli is a sweet ski, keep the ski and change the binding. Most other woman's skis will pale in performance to that ski. The weight she is feeling is from the Vist binding.

Most skis (other than Goode) weigh about the same, w/in a pound or so. The binding is what makes the difference. My wife had the Dynasaur Legend Exclusive and it was NOT a light set up, but she had the Look Pivot 12's on them, a beefy binding.

Other option, as MtnLion remove the Vist plate and mount the Vist binding directly on the ski. Also, exactly which Vist plate is on the ski?
post #17 of 24
I'd second (or third, fourth) the change binding opinion.

Even the Dynastar Exclusive Legend isn't quite the same ski as the Stockli, I don't think. I haven't skied the Stockli but I skied the EL. I doubt it would satisfy the "high speed upper intermediate that can generate a fair bit of force", particularly in "Whistler all season conditions".

If changing the binding doesn't do the trick, it might be better to start looking at man's skis. She's got enough weight and plenty of height to fit into the target zone of many man's skis. With her skill and preference, there're probably more choices in the man's world.
post #18 of 24
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Originally Posted by Ski the East View Post
Wildcat, I got the Fischer Vision Breeze (in 146 cm) for my wife. I would say the Breeze is every bit as stiff a ski as my RX8's, possibly stiffer (could that be due to the extremely short length?). Weight-wise, comparing the Breeze and RX8, and compensating for length, I'd say the weight of the Vision Breeze is about the same as the RX8 if the lengths were the same (Breeze is wider than the RX8, but the binding on the Breeze is lighter).

I wouldn't call my RX8's heavy skis, but I would say that my Atomic Nomad Crimsons are noticably lighter on a pounds per cm of surface area basis (even though the NEOX 4-12 bindings are probably heavier than the railflex bindings on the RX8).

If you don't think dropping the vist plates and switching to the solly Z10 binding will do the trick (it sounds like a very good idea to me), and if both weight and performance are considerations, perhaps you should consider the older Atomic IZOR 9:7 or IZOR 7:5 with the 4tix bindings as an option (there may have been a woman-specific equivalents produced by Atomic, if so I suspect Trekchick or COSkiGirl can identify them). You should still be able to find the Atomic IZORs on e-bay and on various web sites. Helm Sports is one site I know of that still carries IZORs. If you search you should be able to locate others. I demoed the 9:7 a couple of years ago (did not buy it, but liked it). I think it may meet your needs.

Good luck,

STE
Hi STE,

I agree with the summery of the Fischer skis and the Nomad recommendation. My daughter added a 169cm Crimson Nomad to her quiver this fall. Lighter skis can perform superbly in most conditions. A heavier ski might feel more stable, but this is more perception that fact, IMHO.

Michael
post #19 of 24
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
Don't throw the baby out with the bath water here. The Stockli is a sweet ski, keep the ski and change the binding. Most other woman's skis will pale in performance to that ski. The weight she is feeling is from the Vist binding.
Phil is right, the weight is from the binding. Yes, the ski will be a bit heavier than other skis out there but that is due to the construction and has a direct correlation to the performance of the ski (which is much higher than other skis that have been mentioned). VIST bindings are heavy. My brother is skiing VIST plates and Marker bindings on his race skis and they weigh several pounds more than my similarly set up race skis.

A good light binding that I would look into is the Tyrolia/Head/Fischer RFD 12 Railflex 2... This is a good binding the offers a light weight freeflex plate. At 2350g you can probably find a setup that is about a pound lighter (1/2 pound per ski) but you will sacrifice the freeflex plate and lift, which is something that your wife will want on her skis after skiing the VIST setup. Another option is the older but still perfectly good Salomon S810 Ti PowerAxe binding (closer to 2000g per pair).

Later

Greg
post #20 of 24
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
Don't throw the baby out with the bath water here. The Stockli is a sweet ski, keep the ski and change the binding. Most other woman's skis will pale in performance to that ski. The weight she is feeling is from the Vist binding.
This would be the best first option.
You may take Phil up on his offer, that would be what I'd do, under the circumstances.

Either way, reportback and tell us how it works out.
post #21 of 24
Another vote for the binding toss. Sweet skis. But that said, Stockli's are not especially light regardless of binders. You originally asked about skis. IMO, there are several quality light unisex brands (think Salomon, Fischer) that work well for women, and a bunch of good female specific higher performance models that are very light; especially consider the Blizzard Viva series, the Dynastar Exclusive series, or last season's narrower Head Thangs.

Tradeoff, as you must realize, is that she won't get the same stability as the Spirit. Just physics.

Alternative solution: Get her a gym pass and a book of training sessions for her upper body. Most women I know lift nowadays...
post #22 of 24
Thread Starter 
Speedlock system so cannot just remove plate.

Worked out that plate and binding are 1731 gr per ski which is quite a lot.

Therefore can trim almost a kilo per ski with a Solamon Z12Ti (need the DIN).

Any system that has a plate (some lift) that is still light so that edge force is similar.

Thinking a Tyrolia RFD might work?
post #23 of 24
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Originally Posted by Andrew R View Post
Speedlock system so cannot just remove plate.
You can switch to an X-free plate, that is a plastic lifter that you can use your current plate.


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Originally Posted by Andrew R View Post
Therefore can trim almost a kilo per ski with a Solamon Z12Ti (need the DIN).
Unless she has a 230mm BSL, at 5'9" and 130lb, a 10DIN will do her fine.
post #24 of 24
God, what do I know about this subject...but uh..yeah amazingly...I have some info for you on that ski choice. I happened to ski with someone I can't identify for a few reasons who was on that Dynastar Exclusive Legend ski. This is a very advanced skier and is probably a decent size bag of dog food heavier in the weight dept. She despises that ski because it "folds up" on her. What she meant by that was when she really gets going the ski just bends way too much and too abruptly and she basically stopped. She considered it dangerous.
So...good god listen to these people and keep the Stockli! I'm sure you could sell a Vist plate system.
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