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Blizzard Argos 187:  swapped them out almost immediatly.  they felt heavier and less responsive than the gotamas on groomers, and I couldn't get through the crud or float on the powder.  i could feel the snow pulling and slowing me down


After the last 2 1/2 years on the Goat and several outings on the Katana over that period, my experience re: those two skis is the opposite of yours. I find the Goat far more nimble than the Katana and not heavy feeling at all in comparison. I have skied my Argos on all or part of about 15 days so far this year. It is of course not as good a deep snow ski as a Katana but is more nimble feeling to me in all other conditions and given the target I set for it, more versatile than the Katana. The Argos is also a lighter ski than either of the Volkls.

 

A few possible reasons come to mind for your poor experience on the Argos.

 

 

A) At my 195# I am comfortable on the Argos 180. You may have just overgunned yourself.

B) The Argos is a true 187 and has a longer RS than the Katana or Goat 190

C) If the 187 was set up in the rear mount position, it could make it feel even bigger.

D) Out of the box, Blizzards are a bit too flat and "edgey" for western snow and need a good hand tune.

E) All the above..................

 

Then again.....could be phase of the moon or just another earlobe deal.

 

SJ

 

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Evbart, just a comment about weight: Goats are a lot lighter than Katanas, something like 300 g per ski at similar length. A lot of people actually use Goats AT for sidebounds because they're one of the lightest non-specialty 100+ out there. They ski really short; I weigh 165 and like the 183. I do agree that they don't float up in pow like some fats, although I've never actually had them dive on me. Wonder if you just like the "fat Mantra" lively feel of Katanas, rather than the surfy feel of Goats. 

 

Haven't skied an Argos, so can't comment on their beefiness, except that Blizzards in general seem to me to be stiffish but easy to initiate and finish because of their softer tips and smooth tails, so I think people will have very different reactions to how they handle. 

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I just spent 3 days on my new 187cm Argos mounted w FR16s for a 326mm BSL (current quiver - 189 Obsethed, 185 Enforcer, 170 Mach 3 Power; me = former racer who still skis like one in most conditions).  These skis are some of the best I have been on in this range.  The last 3 days have been a mix of super-hard in the am to super slushy in the pm.  On day 1 I had the Argos set up at the rear mount position and had a difficult time engaging the tip on short radius pivoted turns.  They were great on long tuns blasting through crud and soft mashed potatos, but I found them a little hard to maveuver in the tight spots.  The second two days I moved the mount to the forward position and the skis felt completely different.  They were exceptionally easy to pivot and the edge engagement was fantastic.  The Argos carve what feels like a much shorted turn than the 29 meters they are very stable through the whole arc.  I was a little worried about the tip tracking and stability in the crud and mank with its soft flex, but it was not a problem, the skis handled the junk perfectly well in the forward position.  I am looking forward to getting these into a bit of fresh snow and some proper crud, but it looks like that will not happen until next season with the weather we are looking at for the rest of this one.

 

Couple of random comments.  When I first took the skis out of the box and hand flexed them I am a little worried about what felt like a soft flex, however, when I grabbed the ski ~20cm down from the tip and flexed them they felt more like what I was expecting; a GS ski.  I typically enjoy my skis mounted farther back of recommended, but these were different.  I think it is partially due to my large BSL (285mm at rear point is the same midsole as my 326mm at from point) and my light, 160lb, weight.

 

I highly recommend this ski for any strong skier who knows how to bend a ski and does not mind a large turning radius on an all-mountain ski.

post #94 of 101

BigLine,

How would you compare the Argos to your Enforcers?

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How about vs. the Cronus?  I (thought) I had settled on getting the Cronus for next year, but not sure after reading this whole thread.  Skiing eastern firm most of the time, but do get good dumps once in a while.

-mdR

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How about vs. the Cronus?  I (thought) I had settled on getting the Cronus for next year, but not sure after reading this whole thread.  Skiing eastern firm most of the time, but do get good dumps once in a while.

-mdR


 

mdr0414, I have been on the Cronus for two years and I live in Maine which certainly can qualify for "eastern firm." They are a wonderful ski overall. On anything reasonably soft they shine. Fun, compliant, tenacious, full of energy and utterly dependable. On somewhat hard, they require more attention edge-wise. Still very capable and enjoyable, though you will be scarving, not carving. On really hard, I would leave them home. I have pushed these 88m waisted ski beyond the design limits on ice and concrete. Scarving down the fall line works, but try a long traverse on steep, and you will battle to keep them connected. I find them to be terriffic skis 80% of the time. I used them at Vail and Deer Valley this year and was even more impressed. I would not hesitate to buy another pair - highest praise for me. But for those really hard and bullet-proof days, I am looking for the Bliz Supersonic or Dynastar 4x4 - though prolly the SS, just to keep it in the family. If you want to read about the SS, there is a great review by gcanoe recenly posted. Hope this helps.

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BigLine,

How would you compare the Argos to your Enforcers?

 

I bought the Argos because I found the Enforcers too soft for the skiing I wanted them for.  The Argos feel much more stable underfoot and do not get bounced around in the chop as much as the Enforcers do.  They track better through the crud and hold an edge just as well.  I will be keeping the Enforcers for days when I want to make shorter easier turns at slower speeds with the inlaws, but I expect they will see more closet time than the Argos do.  The Nordicas have more pop out of turns on the hardpack due to their shorter turning radius, but they just don't have the power that the Argos do.  I have the Hell Boy Nordicas mounted at -0.5cm from the Ride line for reference.

post #98 of 101

deliberate1--it does, thanks!

That's what i was kind of thinking... I do have a pair of carvers for the late season ice.  But most of the time it's pretty good packed natural snow.  That's why I was targeting the Cronus.  Good all around here and with a couple of trips west, would serve somewhat off-piste.  There is also a great place within weekend reach here that is very close to western conditions and they would help there.  Thinking 88 to 90 underfoot being best around here.

 

-mdR

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deliberate1--it does, thanks!

That's what i was kind of thinking... I do have a pair of carvers for the late season ice.  But most of the time it's pretty good packed natural snow.  That's why I was targeting the Cronus.  Good all around here and with a couple of trips west, would serve somewhat off-piste.  There is also a great place within weekend reach here that is very close to western conditions and they would help there.  Thinking 88 to 90 underfoot being best around here.

 

-mdR


My pleasure. Truly, these are very special. And to add to the allure, you may be the only one in Minn to own them. I have never seen another pair in Maine (though I have heard rumors). And when I was at Vail and Park City for two weeks, never saw anyone else on them. Makes it easy to find them
 

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My pleasure. Truly, these are very special. And to add to the allure, you may be the only one in Minn to own them. I have never seen another pair in Maine (though I have heard rumors). And when I was at Vail and Park City for two weeks, never saw anyone else on them. Makes it easy to find them
 


You're right... saw my first pair at my local hill last weekend.  First I've seen.  There's not even a Blizzard dealer in Minn., nearest is Denver!  Looking for used ones on EBay and Craigslist... nothing!  Maybe with the end of season () I'll score something. L8r

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First let me say that I'm not an expert skier(180 lbs @ 5'-11") and probably a weak 8 level.  When SJ started this thread I had just returned from a week at Aspen and realized that the AC 50s weren't going to work on anything but groomers, hard pack and ice.  So, when SJ gave his Argos review it got my attention.  With a trip to T-ride coming up I decided to take a chance and bought a pair of Argos 180's.  First day out was on hard pack and I wasn't too excited about the Argos 180's.  Then...2 feet of new snow.  Eureka!!!   With the AC50s I'm back at the lodge...but NOT with the Argos!!  I'm now in paradise...and later when the cut-up and crude evolved the Argos just got better!  Really nice ski that makes the toughest conditions fun...even for a half-axx 8 skier like me!  Like SJ said the Argos is very versatile with very wide range(unlike the AC50's).  Since I can only carry 2 pairs on flights I replaced the AC50s with the Dynastar 4x4 172s and they work well with the Argos.  The season just isn't long enough!

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