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AC50, Recon, Xplorer - I was advised to try these. Good for bumps?

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
I will be going to Mammoth soon. I am 6' , 195 lbs. I can ski blues well and blacks with some difficulty. I generally do not ski heavy powder. My biggest weakness is maintaining good control-form on steeper sections where there are bumps or there is crud. My goal is to find a demo ski that is all-mountain but performs well in the steep and bump sections (usually the initial part of the runs on the bowls). I especially want a ski that will initiate turns easily. I am not looking for speed at this point .... mostly good control. If I am going to perform poorly in these more technical sections, I want it to be because of my need to improve and not because I have the wrong skis.

I was advised to try the AC50 the K2 Recon and the K2 Xplorer skis (in 170 length). Does that sound right to you as a starting point? Better choices? Thanks!!
post #2 of 13
170cm and you're 6ft? Sounds like it might be a bit on the short side. As to the skis you mentioned... the ac50's are fun, great at speed good edge control but they may be a bit much in the bumps. The Recon and Explorer have quite a lot in common, the recon is narrower is the primary difference. The Recon is a very popular ski, easy, soft, cushy ride. It will go everywhere without flair not the best at speed.

A couple other choices; dynastar Legend 8k, Head im82
post #3 of 13
Agree with above. Delete the Recon (skiing's equivilent of white bread - filling but no nutrition), and try to the 8k, im82 + Nordinca Top Fuel (or jet fuel).
post #4 of 13
There is a very, very good reason that K2 is the best selling ski brand in the US. That is, it is a fit for a lot of skiers. Stiff, aggressive skis are fine for some skiers (possibly 20% but probably less). The rest of the skiing public is well served by softer more easy going skis.

From the self evaluation provided by the OP, I think a K2 would be a good call. The Recon is somewhat easier and more nimble in bumps than the Explorer. The model is not critical here. Pick one, (say the Recon) and demo both sizes (170 and 177) buy the one you like the best.

Strike the AC-50 and the Heads from your list. They are not appropriate for your ability/aggressiveness level.

SJ
post #5 of 13
I am 5' 11", 175 lbs and own the Recons in a 174 -- I ski them all over the mountain -- they are fine in bumps, trees, groomers, crud, knee to thigh deep powder, etc. As noted elsewhere, they may give up something at high speed or on boilerplate, but otherwise, I have loved them.

I actually will be selling mine, just because I change skis every year or 2 -- mine are the 2007-2008 model with the integrated Marker binding -- skied about 15 days and looking to sell for $375. I would definitrly recommend demoing first, and if interested, let me know.

Bob
post #6 of 13
Hi,

The Recon is the cadillac of skis: comfortable and cush. Not the best performer nor the most exciting, but it definitely hits a target group of people looking for a smooth, easygoing, relatively high performance ski.

I think, at 6 foot, you should be looking at 175cm lengths instead. 170cm seems short unless you rarely leave the groomers, in which case you can probably get by with something a little narrower than the 85mm waist skis listed here. The AC50 is much more demanding: you may want to look elsewhere if you like the K2 feel. I also recommend the Legend 8000 (very K2-like feel) the Atomic Blackeye, and perhaps the Magfire 78 or 82ti (a little punchier, great edgehold, but not too demanding, one of my faves). The Nordica Nitrous and Afterburner are great choices (I have a feeling you will find the Top and Jet Fuel a little too stout, but the Nitrous/Afterburner are a bit softer and nearly as exciting). And, Head's iM78 and iM82 are always reliable performers: smooth, damp, great edgehold. The Blizzard 8.1 is a great ski and very forgiving for it's level of performance: lots of snap to it. And, there is always the Fischer Watea 78 and 84: especially the 84 may give you what you are looking for in terms of forgiveness and versatility without leaving you feeling like you are driving a ski meant for a 70-year old.

Shameless plug: PM me if you are looking for a deep discount on some of the skis listed in this thread We are way overstocked on several of those models and looking to get them out of the shop. I can't post prices, but rest assured that they are competitive
post #7 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the advice. I will try to check out the skis you all recommended.
post #8 of 13
Thread Starter 
Well....tried the Recon yesterday....and today, I tried the AC50s. Wow.... what a difference. I liked the AC50s more... On the bumps, I liked the better edge control and on the groomers, I could go faster with confidence that the ski was up to it. With any turns, the ski grips very nicely. Overall, it was a more energetic and fun ski. I like to ski fast and hard.....as long as I can do it well and in control without getting beat up...and the AC50 worked well. Thinking of buying them. I did stick with the 170s...but thinking about the 177s.
post #9 of 13
December 25th.

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I especially want a ski that will initiate turns easily. I am not looking for speed at this point .... mostly good control
December 30th

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I like to ski fast and hard.....
You got a lot more aggressive in 5 days...............

SJ
post #10 of 13
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
Strike the AC-50 and the Heads from your list. They are not appropriate for your ability/aggressiveness level. SJ
But if you decided you're now a speed skier, and really really want the A50's, stick with the 170's. There are guys here your size, advanced to expert, who own the 170. The 177's are really different; they'll ask a lot and not be as compliant if you make mistakes. But IMO, there are other skis that will give you more versatility with fewer penalties lurking. Think about the 8K or the Watea 84.
post #11 of 13
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But if you decided you're now a speed skier, and really really want the A50's, stick with the 170's. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ...................Think about the 8K or the Watea 84.
What he said^^^^^on both counts.

SJ
post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by jgelman View Post
Well....tried the Recon yesterday....and today, I tried the AC50s. Wow.... what a difference. I liked the AC50s more... On the bumps, I liked the better edge control and on the groomers, I could go faster with confidence that the ski was up to it. With any turns, the ski grips very nicely. Overall, it was a more energetic and fun ski. I like to ski fast and hard.....as long as I can do it well and in control without getting beat up...and the AC50 worked well. Thinking of buying them. I did stick with the 170s...but thinking about the 177s.
Told you. I'm not in retail, so I don't have to pull any punches. K2 sells a lot of skis. Bose sells a lot of mediocre speakers - so....?

Now try the 8k, im82 + Nordica Top Fuel (or Jet Fuel) and buy what feels best.
post #13 of 13
Thread Starter 
Well... I did not exactly just decide I was a speed skier, and always considered it best to give control and technique priority over speed if a choice needs to be made....but the AC50s seem to allow me to "have it both ways"...and so for this reason, I purchased them today at Footloose (170s)
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