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post #1 of 14
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Got a pair of Leki Carbon 16 Trigger S poles for Christmas. Was on my wish list. Always wanted to try a pair.

I ride strapless ever since 03, when I fell, landed sideways, the pole dug in vertically, my arm wouldn't break free and I ripped my shoulder out of the socket.

Question about the safety feature for those who have used it and have had any wipeouts where the strap broke free -- what forces really will cause the strap to release?

How easily do they release?. I tried it in my living room and it wouldnt come out wih my glove in while pressing down. I had to actuall hold the pole with one hand and pull extremely hard on the strap with the other free hand. Was surprised how much force is required.

I do like the feel of the way it hangs off the glove, love the light even feel and swing weight. I just am a bit paranoid when it comes to pole straps.
post #2 of 14
I don't think that they were built as a "safety" feature, but just a simple way of removing straps.

I always ski strapless. Especially off piste, those poles can get caught in trees and make it hard to self-arrest. Also, the number one reason for skier's thumb is the pole acting as a fulcrum when you fall against the handle.
post #3 of 14
I've had 'em pull out in trees. Only once or twice, but they did come loose when needed.

Here's a tip. Make sure you bang the grips against each other after a fall to get the snow out of the sockets. If you try and put them on when there is snow in there, you'll compress it in and probably won't be able to get it to work until they thaw out. This was frustrating when I first got the poles, but a little tap is second nature now.
post #4 of 14
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I've had 'em pull out in trees. Only once or twice, but they did come loose when needed.

Here's a tip. Make sure you bang the grips against each other after a fall to get the snow out of the sockets. If you try and put them on when there is snow in there, you'll compress it in and probably won't be able to get it to work until they thaw out. This was frustrating when I first got the poles, but a little tap is second nature now.
Thanks for the info.
post #5 of 14
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Originally Posted by seattle_sun View Post
I don't think that they were built as a "safety" feature, but just a simple way of removing straps.

I always ski strapless. Especially off piste, those poles can get caught in trees and make it hard to self-arrest. Also, the number one reason for skier's thumb is the pole acting as a fulcrum when you fall against the handle.
Its not skiers thumb I am worried about, I am just a little paranoid about being attached to something after that quite painful accident.

Actually, the pole dangles from the palm and does not get wrapped into it when its just hanging free. I am sure skiers thumb is still possible, but with the way it dangles and the shape of the grip, I thik it would be a lot harder to break the thumb in a fall with this setup, even with the poll still attached.
post #6 of 14
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Originally Posted by seattle_sun View Post
I don't think that they were built as a "safety" feature, but just a simple way of removing straps.

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I bought some Leki poles last season thinking that the release was for safety but, alas, it's not -- it's a convenient way to get your poles on and off.
post #7 of 14
The original Trigger is alot safer than the S; the S only releases from upward pressure while the original can release from any direction. The trigger was designed as a safety feature, but I'm not sure how safe the new ones are. I have had my poles release several times when pressing down hard, and they come off when they are supposed to. I had a bad bailout last year and they came right off.
post #8 of 14
Oh, I didn't see the S that's the one with the string loop, right? Disregard my previous post then. I have no experience with the S.
post #9 of 14
I had the S last year, upward release is pretty much where you want to anyway. In the trees, if anything, the pole gets stuck under something and your momentum is already forward do upward release is likely.
post #10 of 14
I have the older system. I think they are supposed to release with enough pressure but only from certain directions. They have released on occasion during falls. Mostly I just love how convenient they are and how they give great hand suppor. I can really hold the poles with light grip and touch the pole with a forward motion instead of a downward motion.
post #11 of 14
I own the older Leki Poles not the newer 'S' model. I really like the Trigger release feature both from the safety angle (they release during a fall or snagged tree) and the ease of engaging and removing the wrist straps at the lifts. I have heard from several owners of the newer "S" poles that snow packs into the trigger while freeskiing powder or falling making easy release more of a challenge.
post #12 of 14
I have some carbon shafted leki poles that have a snap in strap. After getting knocked out by the pole punch to the chin on a misplaced pole plant, I do not use the snap in strap anymore. I want to be able to let those damn things go in an emergency.
post #13 of 14
I have used the original & the S. While I no longer see mention of safety/breakaway on their site, they used to advertise the original trigger that way. And in my experience it worked.

Last year I got some of the S poles & hated them. The mechanism consistently jammed with ice & slush in ways that made them a PITA at the lift and had me concerned in the trees. Untracked.com got with Leki & put the old style triggers on the poles. Much better...

Thread here: http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=63874
post #14 of 14
Got the trigger 1 models (yellow plastic tab) and the little over the thumb strap generally 'pops' open in the kind of fall that would lead to a strained or broken thumb if one was using normal straps in most falls.

Not sure if Leki ever advertised it as a safety feature but it certainly works and overall as a 'system' it is less pfaff than normal pole straps.

Not tried the 'S' model as I have heard nothing good about them (icing/ jamming) and haven't broken/ worn out my other poles yet.
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