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post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Are there specific things I need to look for in ski boots, skis, bindings, foot beds that will help with my duck feet (i.e. my feet splay outward/opposite of pigeon toed)?

Also, I've read some posts that refer to abducting--can someone explain this to me and how it will help with duck feet?


p.s. I guess i should just snowboard, but I can't get myself to do it.
post #2 of 18
You need specific boots if your "duck foot" condition is somewhat pronounced. I know Fischer makes a boot designed to correct this. There is another company that makes a boot that adjusts for this, but for the life of me my brain has lost that name.

Try posting this at the "Ask the Boot Guys" forum here. They'll give you far more tips than I can.
post #3 of 18
My feet duck too. I haven't had an opportunity to try the Fischer boot, but I've found that with a corrective insole, insole cant, and cuff angle adjustment, I'm fine. Essentially all that is adding some material under the medial part of my foot so that I no longer have to rotate my toe outward to put my foot flat on the ground.

Go to a shop with a good boot fitter and be prepared to spend close to retail as well as some more money for an insole. I guess some people get away with using a Superfeet or similar, but I love my customs. If you need to live with cheaper skis or rent them for a while in order to free up the money for better-fitting boots... Do it. I ended up buying a different pair of boots the following season after choosing a pair because I could get a good deal.
post #4 of 18
Fellow duck-footed skier here. I also have unusually curved legbones, and a pair of Fischer boots and a very patient bootfitter changed my skiing more than I thought possible. I'll never be a great skier, but these made it possible to actually ski parallel and carve the occasional turn. Good luck!
post #5 of 18
The Fischer progressor is a great boot -- if it fits!

It's got a 100 mm last.
post #6 of 18
The Nordica Dobermann Aggressor is also has a duck footed stance (they call it NFS -- natural foot stance). There are a couple of other boots lower in the Nordica line with NFS. I would like to try some.

I wish Salomon had a similar option in the Falcon line.
post #7 of 18
I'm very unsure that just any old bootfitter could determine if the duck foot would work for the skier. I doubt you'll know until you ski it. Then, you'll have to get used to it. Lastly, you'll need to be able to judge for yourself.

This is not like throwing a switch and have instantly better skiing.

for example, if you went duck footed, how will you know that doing that was the right move? what single test could you perform?

If you do go duck-footed, will you also go the rest of the way, re: footbeds and canting? How can you tell if the duck foot is to blame or if it is the lack of proper fitting?

It's not as simple as you may think..... your only choice is to do it, and do it right -- footbeds and alignment. And let the chips fall where they may. No one will guarantee you will ski better.
post #8 of 18
I think a boot with a lot of forward lean is also an option -- Technica or instance. If your knees are bent and ankles flexed slightly forward, its a lot easier to keep the feet paralell and the adbuction is much loess prounounces. Try it in your living room. THe more upright you stand, the more you feet want to bow out.

There are many other factors involved too, as I am sure the boot guys can shed some light on. Good footbed support, proper ramp, alligment etc..

I also am very duck-footed and never enjoyed a stiff, upright boot, for this reason.
post #9 of 18
When I walk, my shoes over time show wear on the big toe/ball of the foot area and then the outside of the heel. This is due to the fact that I walk like a duck.
I think it is very important to note the width of your foot. I for instance fit into most D width shoes, some more comfortably out the gate than others. I also have a higher arch and a pretty standard heel. I mention all this because if your foot is shaped like mine, try some Tecnica's with a 100 last. I have used Diablo's in the past, have the new Dragon 120 and I am very happy with them.
If your foot is wider than a D width, a boot fitter will need to widen the boot for you IMO.
I have never used custom foot beds, as my feet are fundamentally sound and I don't want to take up anymore room the necessary in the width or I will create more problems than I fixed.
Just some food for thought.
post #10 of 18
The fishers fit my feet wonderfully -- they're a 100 mm last, my feet are D width.
post #11 of 18
My wife has duck feet too. She had a lot of trouble finding the right shoes. She finally got a shoe that she likes. It's a Lowa EC500. She is not an advanced skier though.

More info about Lowa overhere: http://www.lowa.de/english/products/products.php

The hiking shoes seem to be available in the US. Ski shoes are not. (http://www.lowa.net)

Lowa is owned by the Technica Group.
post #12 of 18
noridca aggressor is a duck stance and this is also in the sport machine too (just not as much)

also you can mount your bindings "duck" and then use any boot. This is assuming that you are not using some system that makes you a hostage to that ski/binding.

my wife has both her skis at 3'deg and aggressors . Keeps her knees happy
post #13 of 18
I know a duck-footed skier, awesome skier too, that mounted his bindings non-parallel to the ski. he said otherwise, he couldn't get power into the turn. they were on skis wide enough to mount the bindings ducked also.
post #14 of 18
Sounds like you've got a number of good recommendations for duck-footed boots. I have Nordica Dobermann Pro 130's, which are a little everted.

Another question is what's the strongest, most balanced and neutral skiing stance for you -- which is not necessarily your normal standing/walking stance. Just getting locked into your "normal" stance can really limit your skiing. And, unfortunately, most shops are pretty unskilled in terms of alignment, boot selection and bootfitting.

Consider working with an expert bootfitter to get an alignment to find out. If you have access to Colorado, the best work I've had is by Chris Brown at the Harb Ski Alignment Center west of Denver.

They do a very thorough alignment check all the way from your feet up the kinetic chain then recommend appropriate boots, build a custom orthotic and adjust the boots as needed. They build a semi-rigid orthotic that's supportive but allows the small ankle balancing and edging adjustments that are needed for high-level skiing.
post #15 of 18
I wonder what would happen if you took a Fisher with a 9 degree duck, and mounted the bindings with a 9 degree pigeon.
post #16 of 18
sorry to steal your thread man, but i think its kinda on the same topic.

What do you guys know about Pigeon feet? I feel that when i ski, its hard to keep my skis really straight and accidentally cross up me skis like im pizzaing. its really annoying, i dont want it, but it happens...

I just got boots so im not looking to get new ones just to correct it. any ideas?
post #17 of 18
Ski with more outside ski dominance. That way, the inside ski won't get in the way.

You could consider lifting and tipping the inside ski to start the turn....
post #18 of 18
Thread Starter 

I haven't read this since last season, but I decided to get footbeds and mount my my bindings duck footed as well.  I LOVE having my bindings splayed outwards several degrees.  A buddy of mine also ducks his bindings and told me that McConkey used to do it so he could stomp cliffs with a naturally ducked stance.  Try jumping up in the air and when you land check to see if your feet splay outward.  I'll never go back -- give it a try.

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