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post #31 of 43
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Originally Posted by Walt View Post
There is no corresponding research regarding the "safety" bar, and from my anecdotal experience they cause many more accidents than they prevent. As a safety feature, it's a placebo at best.
I do like having footrests though.
Gotta ask how that one is possible? Not doubting that they aren't all that effective 90% of the time, but I do have to ask how can they cause accidents?
Unless you consider getting hit in the noggin with the bar an accident that is..
post #32 of 43
I've seen all manner of carnage, including
  1. User forgets (or is too inept) to raise the bar before unloading. Whoops.
  2. User puts bar up, but it bounces back down and hits him in the head as he's getting off the lift. Oops.
  3. Bar accidently comes down before the loading area and knocks over the people waiting to load. Youch.
  4. Rider 1 hits rider 2 in the head with the bar (happens all the time)
And then there was the tragic accident a couple of years ago when two girls decided to jump off the lift. One slipped off ok, the second got her helmet caught between the seat and the "safety" bar; it snapped her neck and she arrived at the top dangling lifeless from the chair.

Meanwhile, I rarely see anyone fall off a chair, and most of the skiing I do is at places without any bars on chairs. The few chair falls I have seen were basically loading problems and the bar wouldn't have helped.

Ok, I'm not on some kind of a "safety bars are dangerous" campaign, but I think the minimal protection they provide is outweighed by the problems they cause. For the inept chair rider, it's one more moving part that they have to deal with.

And despite this little rant, I really like the foot rests.
post #33 of 43
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Originally Posted by Matthias99 View Post
It's extremely inconsiderate to do this.
When they ask, I'm not going to lie. It's not anymore inconsiderate than them thinking I should be forced into a space that's much too small for my body just because they want to rest their feet.
post #34 of 43
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Originally Posted by Matthias99 View Post
It's extremely inconsiderate to do this. I, for one, don't feel entirely comfortable in a chairlift without a safety bar. One of the other participants at ESA Stowe had a bit of a fear of heights and REALLY wanted the bar down as much as possible.
Which in turn is inconsiderate to the claustrophobic.
post #35 of 43


I don't feel strongly about the safety bar itself, as long as it doesn't come with footrest!

If someone calls "bar down", I'd duck and deal with it. But if they ask and the bar has footrest, I'll tell the truth "No, I'd rather not". You'd better have a strong reason to say you'd rather DO!

I'm not getting into any fights about it. But if I have a choice, I don't. Particularly the ones with footrests, since that's a "convenience item" that's rather inconvenient for ME!!!
post #36 of 43
I'm with whoever said they're a placeebo. You're not gonna fall off the chair. If you're that afraid of heights you should be working with a counsellor.
post #37 of 43
Around here I've had lifties ask me to put it down lapping around after not using it on the previous ride. I could care less either way, but anybody ever had a ticket jerked or get balled out by a patrol for refusing to use the bar? Do any areas have safety bar ?? I've never had an employee mention anything about the bar to me in any other region.
post #38 of 43
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Originally Posted by Walt View Post
I've seen all manner of carnage, including[list=1][*]User forgets (or is too inept) to raise the bar before unloading. Whoops.
That is just ludicrous, but I can certainly believe it, especially at western mega resorts populated by tourists

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[*]User puts bar up, but it bounces back down and hits him in the head as he's getting off the lift. Oops.
Se above

QUOTE=Walt;1024159]Bar accidently comes down before the loading area and knocks over the people waiting to load. Youch.[/quote]
huh?? really?? thats lame, not much of a chance for lifties to stop that either.

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Originally Posted by Walt View Post
And then there was the tragic accident a couple of years ago when two girls decided to jump off the lift. One slipped off ok, the second got her helmet caught between the seat and the "safety" bar; it snapped her neck and she arrived at the top dangling lifeless from the chair.
Not to pick on the sadly deceased here or anything, but they didn't lift the bar before jumping??? thats pretty stupid. That sounds like an urban legend to me

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Originally Posted by Walt View Post
Meanwhile, I rarely see anyone fall off a chair, and most of the skiing I do is at places without any bars on chairs. The few chair falls I have seen were basically loading problems and the bar wouldn't have helped.
I have actually seen someone fall from a chair. The chair was bumped a bit too hard and was swinging pretty good, bar was up. The chair hit a tower and rider one fell off and hit the ground, rider two fell and was clinging on to rider three who was clenching the side of the chair. The chair hit the next pole and rider two fell off as well, rider three made it to the top and quickly raced to the lodge to tell us what had happened to our friends (Patrol was on site right away). That was some scary shit. 40 feet up onto HARD north eastern ice on a cold mid winter night, luckily on a few borken bones came out of this incident. I've had a bit of bar paranoia since then. I'm not even sure if a bar would've helped as this chair doesn't have foot rests and the bar is rather weak and would've probaly been knocked upward, but it was still scary as hell and the lack of an activated safety bar negated any chance for legal action.

It has been almost 15 years since this happened and I have never seen this since or heard any similar stories, but I still get on edge when chairs don't have bars.

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And despite this little rant, I really like the foot rests.
foot rests still kinda suck in my book (except when nursing a knee injury)
post #39 of 43
I agree--safety bars don't really increase safety all that much. But we should still keep them for the foot rest function. Honestly--at the end of a hard day of skiing, those foot rests are a god-send. Plus, it allows me to slouch forward in the chair, rest my elbows on the bar, and take a short nap (something I wouldn't dream of doing, without the bar!)
post #40 of 43
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity View Post
I don't here any of the boarders I ride with complaining about the foot rest. I ride as a single a lot too, don't hear any complaints.
Can we really take 'no complaints' as being indicative of 'no discontent'?
post #41 of 43
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
Around here I've had lifties ask me to put it down lapping around after not using it on the previous ride.
Ya gotta get more of the cute Brazilian lifties like they have at bigger resorts.
post #42 of 43
Actually, after seeing this video (which is friggin incredible), I might rethink the whole safety bar thing, especially if there are little kids on the lift: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUnMF4OcSYA&NR=1
post #43 of 43
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Originally Posted by exracer View Post
Ski resorts have gradually been phasing out footrests because of the increasing popularity of snow boards. Because snowboards and footrests are incompatible, they are getting removed over time to increase the use of the safety bars.
Actually they work just fine with snowboards, although I notice some choose not to use them. I snowboard as well as ski, and I greatly prefer footrests for both. With the snowboard, if you don't have the rest the whole weight of the board is hanging from one leg, which I do not find comfortable.

I had not noticed this trend of phasing them out because it seems like most of the newer lifts have footrests, at least where I have skied (mostly talking about the NE).
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