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The Need to Know

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
I started a 3rd Pilates certification last week {what the heck, the company is paying for most of it}
Even though I am pretty knowledgable in the fitness industry, what always amazes me is how much you can still learn.

Some of my colleagues do noy feel this way, and are a bit apprehensive about the whole course. They feel that they are being given more information than they themselves can comprehend, and their clients can possibly want or need.

But just this morning, one of my students with her Lovely new Zealand accent, came up to me and started talking enthusiastically about how great she feels when she processes the info that is given in class, and that the more she understands, the more power she has to make cahnges.

{Does anyone else notice how great enthusiasm sounds with an Aussie, Kiwi, or UK accent? [img]smile.gif[/img] }

As far as skiing goes, we have seen many different perspectives regarding how much technical information people are happy with.

There is no right or wrong answer to this question. But I am curious: How much do you need to know?

[ September 12, 2002, 02:04 PM: Message edited by: Lisamarie ]
post #2 of 11

I am learning that there are fewer things I need to know. Most "knowledge" is just baggage.

And one thing I must relearn every moment.

What's that?


"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; What is essential is invisible to the eye." A.de Saint-Exupery

post #3 of 11
LM - I'm kinda with the student

I'm sure KNOWING & UNDERSTANDING what I need to do is not the only way to do it.

For me though that knowledge gives me some sense of CONTROL of the situation - a feeling I have a real lack of when on snow!

I'm sure the instructors humour me by giving me a lot of technical info - just to make me happy so I will try to do what they KNOW I need to do.... Mostly SKI MORE!!!
post #4 of 11
Well CalG I guess I will represent the other end of the spectrum. I can’t learn enough. In fact I guarantee every year someone will ask me a question I don’t have an immediate answer for and I have to go search my files and library. I wish my files were a little more orderly but every time I get on the kick of straightening up something happens like skiing!

Now the difference may be I work with a lot of ski trainers at 7-8 different ski areas throughout the state. You bet they can ask some pretty insightful questions and I to be prepared to have a knowledgeable answer and a thoughtful conclusion. Many times we have some very good discussion because of those conclusions! Hey a fine red wine a good cheese and I’m game.

Someday I wish someone an instructor that has really been teaching for ages will put up a list of all the books and videos they have accumulated so I can see what is missing in my library. Every once in a while I re-read my favorites. In fact The Athletic Skier is next to my computer as I type. A read I must make again before the season starts.

Now in some respects I do understand when you say a lot of the knowledge is just “baggage”, unless of course you ask me a question I don’t have the answer to! In fact many things I was taught in school appear to be “baggage” unless you think about the concept Edison and the light bulb (filament actually)! It is easy to forget about those “bricks” because once the light bulb goes on we have understanding. We simply forget how we got there.

In truth though knowledge is the foundation for developing ourselves as ski instructors and for that matter as a person. The more knowledge we have the stronger our foundation. The stronger our foundation the more we can explore, grow, develop, and reach conclusions. Our knowledge as ski instructors, while in the eyes of most students would probably be superfluous, in fact was developed by other knowledgeable men and women building on a strong knowledge foundation thinking “there must be a better way” which then passes to us to do the same in a manner of speaking with our students. Now of course I must admit sometimes we do not all seem to reach the same conclusions with the identical knowledge but eventually they will come around to my side.

Have a GREAT day!


[ September 12, 2002, 02:16 PM: Message edited by: John Cole ]
post #5 of 11
There's a vast difference between knowledge and data.
post #6 of 11
Originally posted by Kneale Brownson:
There's a vast difference between knowledge and data.
That is true and I would like to see you expand further on the topic.

Have a GREAT day!

post #7 of 11
Actually, the key to knowledge is sifting through tons of "data" (much of which is indeed just noise) and retaining what is important.

Of course, this still means that you have to go through the data.
post #8 of 11
Thread Starter 
This is interesting, the knowledge vs. data thing. As I mentioned, i am working on Pilates cert #3. The other organization I trained with taught us how to see deviations from postural alignment in extreme minute detail. The current one is also pretty detailed, but when they watch me make a correction, their reaction is "Yikes, that's perceptive, but just tell her what the most important thing is here!"

This got me thinking about what happens to me when I ski. Anything that is somewhat off is going to set off alarm buttons for me. I know what good alignment feels like, so when its off, it feels really wrong.

The problem is, skiing is so different than anything else I do, that I don't know how to correct it. Its then, that "analysis paralysis" happens!
post #9 of 11
[quote]Originally posted by Lisamarie:

This got me thinking about what happens to me when I ski. Anything that is somewhat off is going to set off alarm buttons for me. I know what good alignment feels like, so when its off, it feels really wrong.

The problem is, skiing is so different than anything else I do, that I don't know how to correct it. Its then, that "analysis paralysis" happens!QUOTE]

Lisamarie - Thats good! You wouldn't want to put us poor instructors out of work.

I think we sometimes assume data is simply data. In some cases that is true, it is only compiled like counting sheep, but in most cases it took knowledge to compile the data so the circle is complete. When data stands alone it is only statistics etc. It will take knowledge, whether biased or not, to present the data in some form for you and I to use. Data is good. It allows us to couple with our knowledge to complete the information circle!

Have a GREAT day!

post #10 of 11
I think the more knowledge, the better. Of course, applying the knowledge is the trick, but surely the more info you have, even data! you can then manipulate it, apply it, and then refine the application of it to suit the occasion.
post #11 of 11
Thread Starter 
I think we can use what we learn from data to influence how we teach are students. {anything} For instance, more and more research on ACL tears is becoming concurrent. There are common themes that are consistent with every study. So instructors can make technique corrections based on this data, I can formulate preventative conditioning programs that incorporate these findings.

But would we bore our students with the raw data? Probably not, unless they asked.
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