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What are Pontoons good for?

post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 
These are quite impressive skis and absolutely not limited edition ones but I haven't found much about them on this forum.
So the question is for what type of conditions they are necessary?
Are they made for heli-skiing only or something like that?
post #2 of 29
Go read up at TGR.
post #3 of 29
Same as the Spat, to be skied in bottomless pow.
Enjoy 'em!
post #4 of 29
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
Go read up at TGR.
Spindrift and others have written a lot of very good information about these skis and comparisons to other wide skis. Any search on EpicSki would yield better technical information results imo. Give it at try; I think you're stereotyping and coming up with the wrong answer.
post #5 of 29
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Originally Posted by apeyros View Post
These are quite impressive skis and absolutely not limited edition ones but I haven't found much about them on this forum.
So the question is for what type of conditions they are necessary?
Are they made for heli-skiing only or something like that?
as long you can mostly 3d snow top to bottom where ever you are. east, west, midwest they will be amoung the best skis you can use, really easy to ski as well.
post #6 of 29
They are a lot of fun with next to no learning curve in soft conditions. Stupidly easy to ski in fresh powder, doesn't even need to be deep. Set up crud gets tiring as the tip deflects quite a bit. And they will sort of carve on groomers without a problem, but I got pretty bad shin bang as the trail got bumped up. This is all one days demo observation at Solitude on a powder day (1ft+) so YMMV
post #7 of 29
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Originally Posted by Nobody View Post
Same as the Spat, to be skied in bottomless pow.
Yep. Anything over 100mm waist that doesn't have a conventional sidecut and camber is absolutely useless in anything but 3+ feet of uncut powder. Don't even think of skiing them in any other type of snow as they will be completely useless and really not very fun at all. Nothing to see here. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
post #8 of 29
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Originally Posted by Jer View Post
Yep. Anything over 100mm waist that doesn't have a conventional sidecut and camber is absolutely useless in anything but 3+ feet of uncut powder. Don't even think of skiing them in any other type of snow as they will be completely useless and really not very fun at all. Nothing to see here. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
I can't tell if you're joking.

These skis are useless on groomers but the rocker is nice in anything loose, especially chopped up powder and weird, wind-blown stuff. These skis will be most at home in tighter spaces but you could probably find something with a bit more stability for open bowls.

You do not, however, need 3' of snow to enjoy a ski over 100 mm at the waist. Just stay off the groomers, though.
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post #10 of 29
I had a couple of days last year where I could have used a pair of Pontoons: huge dump, 2-3 feet of fresh, very flat mountain....
post #11 of 29
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Originally Posted by D(C) View Post
These skis are useless on groomers

You do not, however, need 3' of snow to enjoy a ski over 100 mm at the waist. Just stay off the groomers, though.
Well, either I must be some kind of gifted super skier or you must not know how to adapt. I haven't met a ski I thought was "useless on groomers" and here's my quiver:


As for the OP - don't believe all the horror stories from guys who've never skied anything but a SuperShape - as long as you steer clear of actual real World Cup racecourse type blue ice you'll probably have a really rad time. There are, however, many more options besides just Pontoons.
post #12 of 29
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Originally Posted by Jer View Post
There are, however, many more options besides just Pontoons.


STOP! do you know how many more inane threads this will result in!!!!!
post #13 of 29
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Originally Posted by throwstoke View Post
STOP! do you know how many more inane threads this will result in!!!!!
Explain?
post #14 of 29
I believe he was implying that those of us who don't like the Pontoon will now feel free to throw out a ton different skis that may, or may not be better for.

I however, will not do so...for now
post #15 of 29
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Originally Posted by Jer View Post
here's my quiver:
I'm mildly jealous of your quiver. Sweet!
post #16 of 29
Thread Starter 
2 pairs of sanouks, gaperific head, a pair of snowboards monted with ski bindings - sucks to be you! =)
post #17 of 29
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Originally Posted by apeyros View Post
These are quite impressive skis and absolutely not limited edition ones but I haven't found much about them on this forum.
So the question is for what type of conditions they are necessary?
Are they made for heli-skiing only or something like that?
Pontoons are great for carving short-radius turns on hardpack!
post #18 of 29
Everyone I saw in Jackson Hole, in 9" of powder, then chopped up powder, steep chutes and trees seemed to be having fun. Given that fun should be the object of skiing I am guessing they are pretty good skis for any mountain that gets a reasonable rate of fresh snow, has trees, some steeps and relatively 'soft' snow on the groomers on the way back to the car.
post #19 of 29
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Originally Posted by apeyros View Post
2 pairs of sanouks, gaperific head, a pair of snowboards monted with ski bindings - sucks to be you! =)
"Not having a clue about pontoons and what they are used for." Must suck to be you. Seriously if you don't know what they are for you are missing the train big time, and if u haven't had the opportunity to try them or something even similar do and you will be enlightened.

Oh and that snowboards that are mounted with ski bindings are actually quite fun when you get into snow that is worth skiing. Not to mention every snowboard besides 3 or 4 (on the market) have regular side cut.

And if this thread is a Joke maybe I am missing the train, most likely am.
post #20 of 29
aperyos was being saracastic its really funny the entire forum fell for it...

he is still kinda of a jerk otherwise though, and one of the not so obvious underbridge dwellers that keeps on posting here. I know his MO and he still got my first serious post.

skinebraska only 3 or 4 on the market for reverse camber or reverse sidecut boards? hahahhah dont believe that.
post #21 of 29
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
aperyos was being saracastic its really funny the entire forum fell for it...

he is still kinda of a jerk otherwise though, and one of the not so obvious underbridge dwellers that keeps on posting here. I know his MO and he still got my first serious post.

skinebraska only 3 or 4 on the market for reverse camber or reverse sidecut boards? hahahhah dont believe that.

Show me more than the banana rocker made by lib tech Even most of the cut tail snowboards have a traditional sidecut.
post #22 of 29
Last skier I saw on pontoons was a patrol on Mt Hood in June, skiing the frozen corn.

I made an effort not to get hurt that day.
post #23 of 29
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Originally Posted by SkiNebraski View Post
Show me more than the banana rocker made by lib tech Even most of the cut tail snowboards have a traditional sidecut.

Lib tech Banana skate
Ride Crush
Never Summer SL
K2 gyrator
Burton Hero
Burton Fish

don't snowboard, don't want to but there are a bunch of reverse camber, reverse sidecut boards on the market. Sure skiiing is leading this trend but snowboards are there too
post #24 of 29
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Originally Posted by skierhj View Post
Lib tech Banana skate
Ride Crush
Never Summer SL
K2 gyrator
Burton Hero
Burton Fish

don't snowboard, don't want to but there are a bunch of reverse camber, reverse sidecut boards on the market. Sure skiiing is leading this trend but snowboards are there too
Excuse my ignorince as the reverse camber is new to me sorta. Never tried a pair. My thinking on this was that it shortens the sweet spot for groomers to alow such a fat ski to get back to the lift is that correct?
post #25 of 29
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Originally Posted by skierhj View Post
there are a bunch of reverse camber, reverse sidecut boards on the market.
While there are many reverse camber "rockered" snowboards, I can only think of one with reverse sidecut, the Lib tech Banana Hammock.
post #26 of 29
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Originally Posted by whipper View Post
Excuse my ignorince as the reverse camber is new to me sorta. Never tried a pair. My thinking on this was that it shortens the sweet spot for groomers to alow such a fat ski to get back to the lift is that correct?
On groomers, your carving sweet spot is reduced to 0cm. Since any ski with a reverse sidecut has a turn radius in the negative intigers, you will never ever be able to lay down a sick carve with them. However, unless the skier is a completely one-dimensional slave to hard-snow carving technique he will still be able to get back to the lift fine - and maybe even have fun in the process. The solution is very simple - don't carve. It's not like you have to take them off and walk back to the lift when you hit the groomer.
post #27 of 29
As someone who has never skied anything above 88 mm, can someone let me in on the skis in Jer's quiver?
post #28 of 29
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Originally Posted by aschick View Post
As someone who has never skied anything above 88 mm, can someone let me in on the skis in Jer's quiver?


the brown swallow tails are 193cm Volkl Sanouk 130-120-110 great convential powder skis and the tip really never sinks. Not as good as other fat on hard pack.

The 2nd one to the right are 195 Praxis Powders 131-136-124 argueable some of the best powder skis ever,. They are reverse cambered and reverse sidecut with no flat spots under foot. super good and skiing tight place in fresh snow and for weird snow condtions. kind of weird on groomer but passable.

the 3rd ones ot the right are 190cm Volkl Explosive 120-95-112. great allaround skis really excel in crud and really easy to feel balanced on in all conditions.

the 4th ones to the right. 193cm Head IM103 125-103-117 . freight trains resemble what a DH race board would feel like if it was 35 mm wider. One of the best high speed groomer skis ever made and due to width rips anything at speed with confindence.

furtherest right I am not sure Armarda ARV 185cm? why the hell he has these is beyond me.
post #29 of 29
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Originally Posted by skierhj View Post
Lib tech Banana skate
Ride Crush
Never Summer SL
K2 gyrator
Burton Hero
Burton Fish

don't snowboard, don't want to but there are a bunch of reverse camber, reverse sidecut boards on the market. Sure skiiing is leading this trend but snowboards are there too
Never Summer actually makes 3 or 4 reverse camber boards. Rome also has the Artifact 1985 which is reverse camber.
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