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Stowe or Sugarbush for Ripping Steep Groomers

post #1 of 47
Thread Starter 
I love steep groomers. Hate Bumps.

Which would be better Stowe or Sugarbush? Or other suggestions in the Northeast.
post #2 of 47
Stowe's expert terrain is mostly left ungroomed, the exception being Hayride some of the time. The terrain off the Gondi is always groomed nice, but that's more upper intermediate skiing. Main St. off the Sensation lift is pretty spectacular for hauling a*s...

but in general, Stowe's true expert terrain isn't groomed very often.
post #3 of 47
Thread Starter 
Any suggestions for the east coast?
post #4 of 47
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Originally Posted by johnnysdg View Post
Any suggestions for the east coast?
Stowe and Sugarbush aren't east coast??
post #5 of 47
Thread Starter 
Of course they are.

Whiteroom said Stowe's expert terrain was not groomed so I was asking about another spot to ski steep groomers on the east coast.
post #6 of 47
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Originally Posted by johnnysdg View Post
Of course they are.

Whiteroom said Stowe's expert terrain was not groomed so I was asking about another spot to ski steep groomers on the east coast.
Ummm, Isn't that what your initial question asked as well??

Sugarbush does have some fun steep groomers, along with lots of other terrain. Organgrinder is a blast.


Sugarbush does have some fun steep groomers, along with lots of other terrain. Organgrinder is a blast. (it is redundancy day after all)
post #7 of 47
Thread Starter 
Not being rudundant.

Simply trying to find the best place for steep groomers on the EC. I was interested in those 2 places but if another place might be better I would like to hear about it.

Can I get suggestions without the english lessons.
post #8 of 47
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Originally Posted by johnnysdg View Post

Can I get suggestions without the english lessons.
The proper way would be "without the English lessons".

In VT most of the steeper mountains are not quite as groomer happy as the less steep ones. Stowe, Sugarbush, maybe K-mart might be the way to go for steep with some grooming, but places like slokemo and flatton are more likely to groom everything down.

I was actually pointing out your over-urgency and pointless bumping, not your poor grammatical skills, that was just a vehicle to make my point. Let people answer at their own pace

Edit: What about Whiteface, haven't been yet (going in a week), but I hear there are some amazing steeps and given it's reputation as "iceface" I'm guessing the groom a lot.
post #9 of 47
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I was actually pointing out your over-urgency and pointless bumping, not your poor grammatical skills, that was just a vehicle to make my point. Let people answer at their own pace
Any particular reason for being so rude? Maybe you'd like an over-analyzation of your grammatical skills? "over-urgency and pointless bumping" - take a chill pill.

Johnny - Iceface may well fit what you like, as they have the Olympic downhill runs which they keep groomed.
post #10 of 47
White face is your steep groomed mountain... i mean theres also a good deal of ice (ice face to some). its a smaller mountain, but i mean theres a great vertical and all
post #11 of 47
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
Stowe's expert terrain is mostly left ungroomed, the exception being Hayride some of the time. The terrain off the Gondi is always groomed nice, but that's more upper intermediate skiing. Main St. off the Sensation lift is pretty spectacular for hauling a*s...

but in general, Stowe's true expert terrain isn't groomed very often.
That's why they call it "expert"
post #12 of 47
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post
Any particular reason for being so rude? Maybe you'd like an over-analyzation of your grammatical skills? "over-urgency and pointless bumping" - take a chill pill.
Nah thats just my style, I'm not trying to rude being rude (hence why I was actually giving advice too, not just being a prick), I just think it's funny that this guy posts a question, gets one response, 15 minutes later basically posts the same question. It made me laugh.
post #13 of 47
The correct answer to the question "Stowe or Sugarbush for Ripping Steep Groomers?" is ...

Sugarloaf

post #14 of 47
Cannon and Attitash in NH have their share of steep groomers as well.
post #15 of 47
Thread Starter 
Thank for all the info!

I really appreciate it.

Johnny
post #16 of 47
I think Whiteroom neglected to mention that Liftline is almost always groomed. Also, the blues at Stowe are going to be comparable to the Blacks at some of the southern hills. Mainstreet is Blue, but they groom it with a winch-cat, so....

Also, a big factor in cruising is the lifts if you can only ski 500 vert ft at a time, it's not a good hill for cruising. It's nice to be able to ski 2000 vert feet every lift ride.
post #17 of 47
Stowe has some really nice terrain, and as Epic mentioned, some of the blues here are black elsewhere. As for Liftline being groomed, well that's 33% true...
post #18 of 47
If you hate bumps and just want steep groomers that are always in great shape, and you can run all day-Jiminy Peak.

No really, Jiminy has a number of great Steep groomers--and it's way closer to most folks than any vermont place, and cheaper than stowe too.

I'm not a big fan of Jiminy because it lacks bumps, trees, etc-but ripping Jericho all day long has it's appeal as well.

Jiminy-steep groomers.

Liam
post #19 of 47
I recommend Gore Mountain. Rumors, lies, and upper darby all rank up there in steepness.
post #20 of 47
Thread Starter 
This is good stuff.

Does Jiminy have good verticle?

That is only a couple of hours away from here.

Gore < 3 hours.

Thanks Folks!
post #21 of 47
1. JIminy runs with about 1000' vertical-but all straight shot fall line with a high-speed 6 man lift to serve it up.

2. I prefer Gore to Jiminy-however-Lies, Rumors, Upper darby are great steep trails-but not groomed at all (which is why I like them-but the OP is looking for steep groomers!)

3. Jiminy is a pretty complete resort ski area these days-and yeah from down state new york it's only like 2 hours. Like I said-it's featured steep groomers-Jericho, Whitetail, Whirlaway, the twisty one (turkey something or other?) are retty sweet if that's your game. They make a ton of snow, the have some sort of soft snow phobia as they groom VERY aggressively (sometimes twice a day!).

I stopped skiing there when the Cut out the Willie's Gulch Glade and made groomer cruiser out of it...but I do miss the steep and pretty long shots down the expert groomers there.

Oh-also, if conditions are Good-Whiteface serves some LONG, STEEP, groomed (but usually very poorly!) trails.


My home mountain has a few great steep groomers as well...Berkshire east.

Liam
post #22 of 47
I would concur that Whiteface would be a premier place for long, steep groomers. Stowe and Sugarbush would both be good too and they are close enough to do a day at each.
post #23 of 47
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Originally Posted by Liam View Post
1. JIminy runs with about 1000' vertical-but all straight shot fall line with a high-speed 6 man lift to serve it up.

I stopped skiing there when the Cut out the Willie's Gulch Glade and made groomer cruiser out of it...but I do miss the steep and pretty long shots down the expert groomers there.

Oh-also, if conditions are Good-Whiteface serves some LONG, STEEP, groomed (but usually very poorly!) trails.

Liam
Can you believe they did that

I was going to say Jiminy, it's a perfect steep groomer small mountain. You can get a ton of vertical in with that 6 pack.

Also, Whiteface is big on grooming. Some of the upper mountain is pretty steep and you can let em fly.
post #24 of 47
Smuggs has some "blue" rated groomers that are very steep. Black Snake to Practice Slope connection is one. They are "blue" because they are groomed like others have said. You can find some of the best aspiring pro racers using that run.

+1 for Gore upper mountains.

Also Plattekill, a smaller area in the Catskills, has some steep runs.

Never skied Stowe, but I'm sure what others have said is true.
post #25 of 47
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Also Plattekill, a smaller area in the Catskills, has some steep runs.
Does Plattekill groom?
post #26 of 47
Jiminy Peak has about 800-1000' vertical steep black and double black groomed runs. These are Whitetail, Whirlway, Turkey, and Jericho (double black but should be a single black).

But if you want steeper, wider, and more vertical yet more icy, colder, less runs, and slower lift than try the Olympic downhill runs off the Summit Quad at Whiteface. Upper Cloudspin provides a 800' vertical 30 degrees and on its side making it very challenging before turning into Cloudspin Niagara at 200' vertical 35 degrees and then into Lower Cloudspin (BLUE!) at 500' vertical 25 degrees and then into two seperate paths, both blues at about 250' vertical 20 degrees. The other Downhill run is Upper Skyward at 900' vertical 25-30 degrees and then either Cloudspin Niagara or Lower Skyward at another 900' vertical 25-30 degrees. The third way down is a long blue called Paron's Run which is very good... except if you got screwed like me on MLK weekend last year and there was snowmaking on it !

All numbers are estimates BTW but depending on your skill level, either do Whiteface or Jiminy Peak for consistent, groomed steeps. Stratton and Okemo are about 95% groomed but nothing really hits 30 degrees for a few feet besides hugging the skiers left edge of World Cup @ Stratton. But there's some great cruisers to be found at these two mountains.
post #27 of 47
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Does Plattekill groom?
Dunno really because when I was there last year there weren't enough powder so everything was groomed out.
post #28 of 47
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Originally Posted by epic View Post
Does Plattekill groom?
It's mostly natural snow so I assume not a lot. Then again, I've never been there.
post #29 of 47
There's limited grooming at Plattekill...and that's a good thing.
post #30 of 47
EC steep groomers??.......Sugarloaf.
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