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post #61 of 70
She's got the Bros for the soft stuff - and the groomers at Stowe.
post #62 of 70
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post
Total miss quote. Close, but the meaning is wrong. When Bob asked me what I thought I told him "now I understand why the kids ski on their heels." It has nothing to do with the Dukes - that may be some sort of issue, but I can tell you I just demoed a ski with a Duke on it and wasn't an issue at all. Zero, nada, niente! Any issue with the Duke is completely separate - I'm not saying either way other than that would be fine tuning, not the major effect of the ski itself.

Ok, basically that ski is made for deep snow or at least soft snow. Conditions that day even thought there were piles of soft stuff, and cut up all over the place, essentially it was "groomed". So here we have a 99mm waisted ski with a 32 meter turning radius on firmish snow. Thirty two meters! In soft snow or deep snow the turning radius is a whole different story, but on groomed 32 meters is enormous. One would have to wait, and wait and wait for it to turn. The wide width underfoot means that tipping it from one edge to the other is much slower.

I remember I once bought the Atomic 9-34 slalom ski on some sort of warehouse sale.(34 meter radius) It was in that weird period when gs skis had more shape than slalom skis. The next year I took one run on it and said it had to go. Total dog now that skis had moved on into the shaped realm. That was shaped for a slalom too! They used to be like 60 - 80 meters. The slalom skis were made for the technique of on the edge briefly and pivot the skis in the air to make the turn. It's quite beautiful actually when well done.

So when you tip the 32 meter ski not much happens and what does one do to get it to turn now ? Push out the heels! That doesn't mean one has to ski it that way on groomed and you could also ski a narrow high sidecut ski the same way! One is not guiding the tips of the skis though, you're turning the tips by pushing the tails the opposite way. It is easier to do that if you sit on the heels - and this feels like the default, easier way to turn them. Doesn't mean you have to do it that way.

So, probably your comment "takes more effort to get forward on the Bros" is just recognizing that on groomed they don't respond to tipping/guiding movements nearly as quick as a ski with half the turning radius. Makes total sense, the Bros aren't designed to turn that way.
Tog, this is a great analysis and good description of the Bros. Keeping in mind that I took the Bros and F17's to Stowe because I didn't know what to expect. The 8 inches of fresh creme' Brule was not ideal for any kind of ski. All in all I was happy to give the Bros' over to DoWork, who was anxious to try them out.

The F17 Rocked the groomers!

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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
on those huge skis forget about the inside foot its useless everything to the outside. If one ski has 99 percent of the weight it will bend and cut into the hardpack.

thread drift sorry TC....
I brought the thread drift and I'm happy for the info and analysis. Drift on!

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Originally Posted by Tog View Post
Yeah, so what's the point of buying a ski like that for Trek to ski the groomed with?

Basically, she could choose any of these and do the same thing. I doubt she wants to work that hard to bend them though, esp. since she doesn't weigh anything!
Awe you say the nicest things!

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Originally Posted by tromano View Post
Where did she say that she wants a groomer ski? The title says midfat.
I am looking for a midfat, but I really don't NEED a midfat. (did I say that

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Originally Posted by Tog View Post
She's got the Bros for the soft stuff - and the groomers at Stowe.
See statement above.


Reality.......
I got the bros because I was hoping a wider ski would make my butt look smaller.
Did it help?
post #63 of 70
So that's how you financed your Bros!?
I see that shot was worth 5 bucks at least. Ya know I bet PMGear might be interested in the full story!...could be worth something!

Truly this thread has gone South! or is it North!
post #64 of 70
Looks like east-west to me
post #65 of 70
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
I got the bros because I was hoping a wider ski would make my butt look smaller.
Did it help?
Must resist Fatypus Alotta joke....
post #66 of 70
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
8.7's in a 167.
Seriously, when I demoed them, they erased any need in my head for something in high 70's up. They have no right to hold that well on ice while turning that easily. My only (untested) concern is how well they handle real powder. They might tunnel, like a AC40. Can't say.

Plan B: Go for something in 70's that's a kinder GS and terrify your friends and neighbors. I'm thinking Blizzard Supersonic, Elan 78 Ti, Kastle MX78, or Stockli XL here.
post #67 of 70
Tigershark 12ft?
post #68 of 70
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Originally Posted by Rise To The Top View Post
Tigershark 12ft?
this is the first one posted that I can honestly say No.
Just doesn't fill the gap I'm looking to fill.

Tog............that was $10.00!
Bumpfreaq............Stop it!
post #69 of 70
Possibly we could get back on track by having you answer tromano's questions. As to the beefier comment, well is that characteristic doing you any good? You want to be able to bend a ski.

Let's not forget the original question before the fat lab moved in to the neighborhood:
(Although there've been some good comments on how to ski them.)
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So I'm looking for something in the high high 70's/low 80's range
- trekchick in post #1
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post
So you have:
  • a slalom ski,
  • a bump ski
  • a soft twin (are these center mounted for park?if mounted for AM, where do these fit in?)
  • a Bro ripper (are these stiffs or softs?)
And you like beefier skis.

So.... What are you trying to get out of a midfat?

50/50 groomer cruiser optimized?
70/30 easy going soft snow optimized?
70/30 stiff dedicated crud buster? (stiff bros are a 70/30 crudbuster, imo)
50/50 easy going AM generalist?
Some other category?
post #70 of 70
Just go buy a pair of Rossi Classic 80s 160cm. Whatever you get you are just going to sell in a few weeks anyway, so does it really matter?
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