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two-footed carving

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
Without straying too much into judgement regarding skill (level), do YOU think that "true pure carving" is inherently a BOTH-skis-on-edge," more or less equally balanced manuever...or not?
is carving on ONE ski (the other unweighted) considered "TPC"?
i don't mean to imply(since this has been brought up) "carving" is the be- and end-all of making turns. i'm just curious as to whether there IS a general consensus.
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post #2 of 11
TPC?....traditional parallel carving?
post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 
well, sure. yeah. i was referring to my "true pure carving" but that's vague and i'm getting out of my league here as far as the specifics and whatever differences there might be. i suspect your term is much closer to what i'm asking about. please extrapolate.
post #4 of 11
I'm sure there are folks with definitions they are religiously fervant about - however technically "true pure carving" can certainly be defined as either one. Whether there is one track or two, and regardless of the weighting emphasis on one or both: if it is a "pure" carve than it simply leaves a cleanly etched arc (or arcS) in the snow. I've seen three trackers leave three carved arcs in the snow - which is, again, no more or less "pure carving" than doing it with only one edge.<FONT size="1">

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post #5 of 11
Aside from my aversion to the term "pure" (most of the guys in this school who use it are far from even optimum...and I still don't think it exists...I digress...different thread), since Bob and Todd have explained how we are now at technological point where it is optional, I think intent is determined situationaly just like everything else we discuss. Just can't pidgeon-hole our definitions or beliefs! I have seen (at least in the technical disciplines) much more two footed turns on the WC, going way back to Fureseth etc. These seem to have appeared coincendently with a re-emergence of double pole plants.
post #6 of 11
Thread Starter 
please feel free to disregard "pure." it seems to be pushing buttons and connotes the judgement i was hoping to steer clear of. i don't intend this to get into dogma.
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post #7 of 11
Yeah Ryan, I want to resist that too, and probably shouldn't have brought it up. It is a philosophical issue with me. If I drop "pure" from my personal vocabulary when talking carving, it keeps me focused on moving and steering to get closer to that ideal. When I think "pure" it makes me rely too heavily on the equipment and turns me into a passenger. So I am not trying to step on anyone's relegion (as Todd eloquently said), my skepticism of "pure" is "purely" personal and philosophical.

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post #8 of 11
Thread Starter 
Robin, well said.
post #9 of 11
Maybe it's clearer if we turn the question around: can a one-ski carve be anything but pure? Skidding and weaker technique aside.

I would argue that it cannot; you can change pressure and edge angle (and they're close to the same thing when you're over one ski!) to modify the radius, but your options are limited. It gives me new appreciation for top racers over the years to think how they carved with such precision to make top times on the stiffer and straighter boards.

A 2-ski carve, on the other hand, gives you many more turn shape options, of variable "purity". Subtle fulcrum steering is no longer a pure carve, but it can serve jiust as well as one on the race course, or just for the sheer joy of it? A "pure" carve on two is more difficult, but also, not always required or even recommended.

post #10 of 11
Bill, I skied a couple of weeks in your area this year, Santa Fe, and observed very few carves, let alone pure ones. I saw some instructors skiing together, aparently during a break, and one or the other would get low, pull himself together and throw 4-5 carved turns which were pretty close to pure, but then relax and stand higher and go back to regular skiing. Having a hard edge set all the time is a killer.

post #11 of 11
Ott, since it's not my home area, I don't get up to Santa Fe often outside of PSIA events there, but what you say describes many a mountain, I'm sure. But I guess that's the beauty of our sport...the variety of turns you can lay down, and that so many of them can put a smile on your face.

I think ryan and Robin have it right...I should never have revived the word "pure". It can start to sound preachy (I hope it didn't, cuz I'm certainly not qualified).

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