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Crunched big toe in Intuition liners

post #1 of 17
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Got my Powerwraps formed at the shop yesterday. Wore the boots around last night. Really good fit in the Krypts except for crunched big toe on both sides. What would be the best way to push out this part of the toe box without remolding the entire liner? Thanks. David
post #2 of 17
Did you use toe caps when you had the liners heat molded?
post #3 of 17
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Trekchick, yes, at least they were these thin foam/neoprene ones under ultra thin sock. I was thinking of spot heating the front box with a heat gun and use two toe boxes with a thicker sock. Do not want to over do it though. Your thoughts? Tx.
post #4 of 17
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Trekchick, yes, at least they were these thin foam/neoprene ones under ultra thin sock. I was thinking of spot heating the front box with a heat gun and use two toe boxes with a thicker sock. Do not want to over do it though. Your thoughts? Tx.
When I needed more ankle room, my boot guy spot heated the ankle area and put padding on that spot. I'm not sure what point of heating is too much and I have far too much invested in my liners to risk taking a heat gun to them myself, but I'm a wuss that way.
post #5 of 17
Thread Starter 
...the heat gun will be in the hands of my boot guy.
Trekchick, when they molded yours, did they shove the foot beds into the liner after cooking them, or put them inside the sock? I have heard of guys taping the bed to their foot so it is in the right position. Yet another use for duct tape. Tx. David
post #6 of 17
There are two sizes of toe caps - make sure you use the larger ones. Also, per your other answer in the other thread. I'd re-mold them, and use your footbeds as well.

Footbed on bare foot
Thin fitting sock
Large toe cap over footbed & sock
Thin fitting sock

This worked very well for me.
post #7 of 17
Thread Starter 
Axebiker, was the top cap you used rigid plastic or a rubbery neoprene, like the one my shop used? Appreciate your help.
David
post #8 of 17
The method that my guy did was:
Foot bed in liner, thin sock with toe cap inside of the sock. boots buckled as tight as I could get them without breaking my tibia.
post #9 of 17
I think it's more likely that this is a shell issue. I would have them grind the shell in the big toe area.
post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by deliberate1 View Post
Got my Powerwraps formed at the shop yesterday. Wore the boots around last night. Really good fit in the Krypts except for crunched big toe on both sides. What would be the best way to push out this part of the toe box without remolding the entire liner? Thanks. David
Its a shell issue.

I have the same boot with the same liners, and had the same problem.

solutions to the problem.

Getting the boot punched out which helped alittle in my case but did not fix everything.

I ended up getting rid of the footbed(you can mold you liner into a footbed, and getting rid of my front buckles. Now they work great are warm and have the same control with those items in the boot.

what happen is as the boot compress it crushes the front of your foot with the front buckles on.
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by deliberate1 View Post
Axebiker, was the top cap you used rigid plastic or a rubbery neoprene, like the one my shop used? Appreciate your help.
David
Rubbery - kind of a pain to get the sock over cuz it would shift around alot. Measure twice, cut once applies here though. I just made sure that they felt like they were in the right place and snugged up good with the sock.
post #12 of 17
Thread Starter 
Tx y'all. Shell? Really? I wonder, because I did not have this problem with the stock liner which has a thin neoprene toe while the Powerwrap is quite solid and is even a bit shorter than the stock liner. Also the shell fit is not that snug - at least 1.5 fingers. Change anyone's opinion. Appreciate the help.
David
post #13 of 17
My wife had that problem with Scarpa thermofit liners. Turned out the stock liners were too small. Any liner except the stock liner worked with that shell. Three moldings with a wad in the toes did not help.

She skied with my 27.0 liners in her 25.0 boot and that worked fine. We are getting ready to mold a 26.0 Intuition for them.
post #14 of 17
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Newfydog, I think you may be right. My thought is that the liner is to short and does not have the give the stock one does. I am thinking that I will do a remold with the old footbed in it which may help to get the max length out of it. Tx.
post #15 of 17
It absolutely will not have the "give" your old liners did, but I think you will appreciate that in the long run.

It took me about 5 full days to get mine broken in to the point of not bugging me.
post #16 of 17
First, I agree it's a boot fitter issue. All of this is just good input to help you know what to look for and communicate better with the "expert".
May be a shell issue but again that's for the guy on the scene to evaluate.
That said, My toe issues with Intuition liners were handled by the boot fitter with a heat gun and everything worked out OK. Different brand boot that had already been punched so there was shell room.
post #17 of 17
Thread Starter 
My firends, I appreciate all your suggestions. Kinda of like asking a doc to diagnose a condition with knowing or seeing the patient. Talked to my boot guy and will head over this afternoon. We will start by reheating the toe area. I will use the thick sock and double toe caps. Ya know, I had read everything on this site and TGR about the fitting process. Some described the process as quite painful in the front - even unbearable after 10 minutes or so. Went in with that expectation. Told my guy I did not think I was having enough pain while the boots were forming. Maybe that was the problem - not enough pressure in the toe box. Moral: You can pain me now or pain me later. Really looking forward to dialing these in just right. In my mind the Holy Grail is shaped like a ski boot. Tx again...
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