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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Hello, here is my story:

I just bought a pair of Tecnica Agent 120's off the internet. I know, I know, but I needed something cheap for this season and I couldn't find anything local. I tried on a ton of boots, including an Agent 100, a Diablo, and a Tecnica Race Boot. The Race boot was pretty tight in the midsection of the boot, but the toes were fine, and that was my concern. The other 2 were also fine. I figured I would be okay with a Tecnica in a 27.5.

....So I got my Agent 120's in the mail today, and they fit tighter than the Lange Fluid 120's I didn't buy because I was worried about room in the toe. At this point I am pot-commited, and was hoping I could find a boot fitter that could take some material out of the toes. I should add the rest of the boot is very tight, but fits well. I was hoping to find a 98mm boot that had more room in the toe than a Lange, and I thought I had found that in the Tecnica

So I have read a decent amount about how to shop for boots, the fitting guide, FAQ's, etc, since I knew I wouldn't have the money to buy a new pair and have them fitted. AFAIK, the toes are the hardest area to create space. Is going to a boot fitter moot at this point? I can, and will, ski in these boots, but I was REALLY hoping to get a boot with more room in the toes. Cold toes have been my problem ever since I can remember.

I appreciate any help provided.
post #2 of 15
I would be charging 60€ per hour just to take a look or chat at this point.
post #3 of 15
see a boot fitter and ask if it is doable. odds are a $20-30 assessment will tell you if the boots are "doable"
post #4 of 15
Thread Starter 
How long does it take for the boot fitter to see if they are "doable"?

i.e. what am I paying for?
post #5 of 15
skill and knowledge.
post #6 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by skier2369 View Post
Hello, here is my story:

I just bought a pair of Tecnica Agent 120's off the internet. I know, I know, but I needed something cheap for this season and I couldn't find anything local. I tried on a ton of boots, including an Agent 100, a Diablo, and a Tecnica Race Boot. The Race boot was pretty tight in the midsection of the boot, but the toes were fine, and that was my concern. The other 2 were also fine. I figured I would be okay with a Tecnica in a 27.5.

....So I got my Agent 120's in the mail today, and they fit tighter than the Lange Fluid 120's I didn't buy because I was worried about room in the toe. At this point I am pot-commited, and was hoping I could find a boot fitter that could take some material out of the toes. I should add the rest of the boot is very tight, but fits well. I was hoping to find a 98mm boot that had more room in the toe than a Lange, and I thought I had found that in the Tecnica

So I have read a decent amount about how to shop for boots, the fitting guide, FAQ's, etc, since I knew I wouldn't have the money to buy a new pair and have them fitted. AFAIK, the toes are the hardest area to create space. Is going to a boot fitter moot at this point? I can, and will, ski in these boots, but I was REALLY hoping to get a boot with more room in the toes. Cold toes have been my problem ever since I can remember.

I appreciate any help provided.
I will bet you would, as long as it's free?

I am a little confused? How were you able to try on so many boots yet couldn't find anything locally? or cheap enough? So was this shop a "self help" kinda big box store or did some unsuspecting shop spend hours sizing and helping you select a boot so you could buy it on the internet?

I would suggest finding a boot fitter and be prepared to pay him/her for his/her time and effort, something that would've been free if purchased at a retail shop.
post #7 of 15
Thread Starter 
1.) Nice job jumping to conclusions, Bud. I have no problem paying for expertise. I want the toes grinded out a few mm's. Any professional should be able to look at the boots and tell me if thats possible in less than 2 mins. I don't need a whole fitting, custom liner, etc. As I said, in the original post, which you quoted, next year I will happily pay out the ass for a proper fitting/grinding/custom liner etc. This year I need to go budget, or I can't hit the slopes... nice of you to understand and empathize with my situation.

2.)I tried on boots that my local shop has. My local shop sucks. Nobody even close to a "boot fitter" in the place. Mostly people that take your size and guess on a flex and then give you some boots. In fact, there is only one shop in my whole city, and referring to it as a "local shop" makes it seem small and helpful, neither of which it is. It is corporate and has horrible service. I went there and tried on their boots, with no intention of buying the first time. It was early in the season, the place was empty, and I told the salesman I wasnt going to buy, but he didnt mind letting me try on a bunch of boots. I then went there again, hoping they had some of last yrs model on sale. They had 1 boot in the whole store that was a 27.5 and a 100-120 flex. It was the Fluid 120 I mentioned in my original post. I tried it on with the intention of buying it if I liked it.

3.) I pretty much covered this in my first post. No, it would not have been free, and it wouldnt have been offered anyway. And again, all I want is some extra room in the toes. Being that I have never had boots grinded, I was hoping some knowledgeable forum members could clue me in. I guess I'll leave you out of that crew.
post #8 of 15
Skier2369,

The best way to get length is to grind the heels and punch the toes. You have to be careful with a toe punch re. causing a problem with the binding toe piece - it depends how much your binding contacts the upper radius of the front of the boot.

Before embarking on such changes, you should stretch the liner, since many of them are short lasted. Also, a footbed (do you have one?) often saves a few mm of foot length by supporting the foot and reducing spread.

Lastly, consider the context here - that you're asking for free advice on mail order boots. None of the guys here would make a living from 'customers' like you, and hence wouldn't exist to give advice. The ironic implication of your Roosevelt quote (which of course is a concise version of the alleged original) is that you shouldn't have to ask 'why' you would pay a professional for their opinion and time .
post #9 of 15
skier2639,

My aplogies. Unfortunately where my shop is I get many people coming in who use my time and experience to size them properly and in the right boot for them then tell me they are buying their boots pro form or on the internet. Sorry I jumped to conclusions.
post #10 of 15
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdistefa View Post
Skier2369,

The best way to get length is to grind the heels and punch the toes. You have to be careful with a toe punch re. causing a problem with the binding toe piece - it depends how much your binding contacts the upper radius of the front of the boot.

Before embarking on such changes, you should stretch the liner, since many of them are short lasted. Also, a footbed (do you have one?) often saves a few mm of foot length by supporting the foot and reducing spread.

Lastly, consider the context here - that you're asking for free advice on mail order boots. None of the guys here would make a living from 'customers' like you, and hence wouldn't exist to give advice. The ironic implication of your Roosevelt quote (which of course is a concise version of the alleged original) is that you shouldn't have to ask 'why' you would pay a professional for their opinion and time .
I appreciate your advice. I think I will start with the footbed and go from there.

I thought I had addressed this enough, but I am not trying to get something for free. Paralleling The Man in the Arena speech to my attempt to get some information regarding my situation on a forum is quite the stretch. I think I addressed my unfortunate situation enough times, I do not have the money to be properly fitted and buy a new boot this year. Please bear with me. Obviously if I was off wasting a custom boot fitters time, I wouldnt be here asking questions. This forum is a place for the free flow of information, no? I hope we can all agree this topic has been addressed and from now on leave the posts to the content of my thread.

Thank you.


Bud: I appreciate the apology, no harm done. I honestly would not think of wasting a custom boot fitters time, regardless of what it seems from this thread. Hopefully everyone can tell this by now. It does not appear to be a lucrative business, I assume one's time is valuable. That is why I am on here trying to gain information.
post #11 of 15
Thread Starter 
Back to our regularly scheduled program:

What does a toe punch consist of?

Is a superfeet footbed good enough?
post #12 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by skier2369 View Post
What does a toe punch consist of?

stretching the plastic of the boot to a new shape. toes are harder to do, but you can still get up to 4+mm

Quote:
Originally Posted by skier2369 View Post
Is a superfeet footbed good enough?
if it fits you OK then yes. superfeet have a med to low arch, and is med to stiff. If that is what YOU need then great. if not find something else
post #13 of 15
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mntlion View Post
stretching the plastic of the boot to a new shape. toes are harder to do, but you can still get up to 4+mm


if it fits you OK then yes. superfeet have a med to low arch, and is med to stiff. If that is what YOU need then great. if not find something else
Are there other generic footbed options?

I do have a low arch. I used to have orthodics(sp) when I was younger and playing soccer all the time. However this has never been necessary in any other sport. I think the soccer shoes when I was young had such little built in arch it compounded the problem, but that is speculation on my part.
post #14 of 15
Superfeet trim-to-fit green, $35-40. Over the counter/generic.
post #15 of 15
[quote=skier2369;1019217]Are there other generic footbed optionsquote]many other brandssuperfoot, sole thotic are the main ones in this area, but many many brands
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