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part time and first time instructor?

post #1 of 34
Thread Starter 
Ok I have taken the first step. I talked to Mike Iman at SugarBowl and have put in my application to be a part time ski instructor. Now I'm looking for tips, hints, etc on what to expect from here on out.

post #2 of 34
"carpet classes"
post #3 of 34
Children. Get that back in shape pal. :
post #4 of 34
you can expect ryan will pull into sugar bowl, ask for dchan for a half-day of instruction. ryan will not mention he's ryan and when dchan looks at the epicski stickers on ryan's skis, ryan will say "i dunno, i bought 'em at a garage sale."
then ryan, who'll use the alias of...hmm...PAUL, for example, will take notes on the lesson and report back to epicski on his half-day at sugarbowl, with video.
post #5 of 34

Now to learn to teach. Remember, it is not our agenda that has to be filled; it is the guest's needs and expectations that need to be determined and fulfilled. For more information, you might want to look up www.pmts.org click on Library>Newsletters>February2001, and read the article by Kim Peterson on meeting needs ant the article by Diana Rogers on breaking a lesson down into it's smallest part. No matter what style of skiing you teach, teaching is teaching. Another source is JR's White Pages and Practice, particularly Roger Kane's Pathways to Parallel.

Enjoy the reading...
post #6 of 34

Hope your are successful with your application.

As you go through your training be inquisitive and learn what mechanical elements go together to make things happen. Never be afraid to ask "why are you doing that". Too many instructors (and "civilians") treat symptoms rather than seeking to address the root cause. Good instructors are always seeking to learn. Find out from your director and supervisors who are the best instructors and shadow (with permission) their classes.

Yes, you'll do a lot of lower level classes. Depending on your schools set up you may or not teach kids.

Most of all-have fun !!! Introducing new skiers to the sport we know and love is a blast. [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #7 of 34
You will hear a lot about edging pressure and steering and Balance.

Teach the student try not to get too caught up in all the crap.

Lots of balance will help everyone the same by the way.

By all means make it fun!!!!!!!!
It is up to instructors in your shoes to make skiing the best time ever for your students. If they learn that skiing is fun you will have done them the best service in the world.

You will love it!!!
post #8 of 34
Dchan. Watch other instructors. Watch what works... more importantly, watch what DOESN'T work. You can read all the PMTS, PSIA, Perfect Turn, Art of Carving, Encyclopedia of Skiing you want. The weight of a good ski instructor doesn't come from how much he/she knows. It comes from how much he/she can learn while being thrown to the wolves.

You'll see kids. You'll see Beginner adults. You'll see other instructors getting lessons you wish you had. You'll get hung on a lesson while your cohorts chew the two feet of fresh you got last night. Some days you do the chewing. Sometimes things fall right into place, sometimes they simply do not.

Attend training sessions... as many as you can. Never take the spoken or written word as LAW. Laugh hard at least twice daily. Challenge yourself to hang up what you thought you knew about skiing and try a new approach. Mentally and Physically. Take risks both in lessons and on your own. Innovate. Be cool. Be a hard-ass. Be soft-shell. Be silly.

post #9 of 34
David, some good advice, especially by Spag. Let me add that when you take your training, don't ask any questions for which you already know the answers, it may tempt you to show off your know-how and embarass the clinic leader.

That is the single biggest NO-NO in any kind of clinic, the examiner, or whatever, may talks his/her way out of it, but your chances of passing are nil at that point.

So if you really want to be accepted, shut up, nod your head a lot and listen, then when you are an instructor, go out and use all the information you have gathered here and elsewhere on your students.

On the hill, it is 10% explanation, 5% demonstration another 5% correcting the cause of errors, and 80 percent SKIING.

post #10 of 34
Rick H,

Tell Uwe I'm looking for him. He needs to spend a few days with junior.
post #11 of 34
Nothing but problems and confused students.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. And, I'm on my second margarita.

post #12 of 34
dchan, I can't offer any inside tips, but I can wish you the best of luck... based upon your contributions in here, I'm willing to bet you'll make one fine instructor, part-time or otherwise.
post #13 of 34
congrats on taking the plunge!!! Last year was my first year as a part time instructor. I had the time of my life!! I wish I could do this job year round even though the pay is lousy.
As far as tips go i think Spag really hit the nail in the head. You will teach mostly level 1-4.you will probably get thrown into the frying pan rather quickly. Shadow whenever you can.This is how I learned most of my current teaching skills. Remembber what worked for 1 lesson may not work in another.You will know if people are having a good time or not.Ask for help if you need it.Play with kids. Practice what you are teaching. You must give good demo's. Take all the instructor clinics you can sign up for.
Be excited,have fun and ski your ass off!!! Terry
post #14 of 34
Dchan, you already "know" a lot about the mechanics of skiing, but what you need to convey to students are the feelings of skiing. At their level. Think always about what things felt like at their stage.

They don't have comfy footbeds. Their feet are buried in a stiff box. Their skis are not freshly waxed and sharpened. But when they turn a foot, the same thing happens in their leg as happens in yours.

If it's possible, try using your area's rental equipment for beginners. Especially the boots.

I'd reverse Ott's proportions by saying, talk a little, demonstrate a little more and spend most of their time doing. If you take five breaths without moving, you're standing too much.
post #15 of 34
Congratulations dchan, if anyone has the "calling" to be an instructor, it must be you.

You mentioned that you gave an application to be part-time instructor. May I ask what is the criteria for acceptance? Do you have to be certified Level I? If you have no certification, does an examiner have to test you first?

Good luck!
post #16 of 34
Kneale, actually I'm with you about the proportions, but out of an hour, 10% of explanation is only six minutes, and 5% demonstration is only three minutes, if anyone can do it in less time, they have my admiration.


<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ October 20, 2001 07:17 AM: Message edited 1 time, by Ott Gangl ]</font>
post #17 of 34
All kidding aside, congratulations dchan.

You're teaching and that's a great thing to do. Way to go and be a great teacher.

post #18 of 34
Congrats. If you stay with it you will find
it extremely rewarding.

- learn and understand the basics because they are vital and never change.

- Always, Always please your customer. You are more than a snow mechanic. You are also an ambassador for your area, your school and for the sport and industry in general. Besides, skiing really is supposed to be fun!

- Be careful to not get too wrapped up in the
"voodoo" nor take yourself too seriously.

- Revere the comraderie between fellow instructors. It can be a bond that lasts life time.
post #19 of 34
Try to tag along with the more experienced instructors to assist in lessons even during your "free ski" time. That's where you may pick up a lot from their "bag of tricks"...... ways of saying something to get the class to respond.

Try to be the first one a line up and take the first few groups....... if a break is gonna be given, it's usually to those who have paid their dues for the day.
post #20 of 34
Your going to do great,From all your thoughtful post here I can tell that you would be the Kind of instrutor I would like to have.Keep us posted on your progress.If you are able to get back to Utah this season be sure to look me up.
post #21 of 34
Thread Starter 
Thank you so much for all your words of wisdom. I will try to keep them in mind.

Thanks for all the encouragement. I still need to interview and ...... I guess they will want to see me ski too [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I wonder if that will end up being a carpet run. it's not getting very cold yet

Where's that snow?
post #22 of 34
Congrats dchan, I think you will find it fun and rewarding. Be prepared to have your skiing taken apart in early clinics. Seek out the better instructors and clinicians and learn what you can from them, it will save you time and confusion. Most of all have fun and pass on your love and enthusiasm for a great sport.
post #23 of 34
Don't forget the "miles" component. It takes 80+ repetitions for your muscle memory to retain a movement.

Practice makes perfect(but only if you practice perfectly) [img]smile.gif[/img]

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ October 23, 2001 09:31 AM: Message edited 1 time, by SLATZ ]</font>
post #24 of 34
dchan -

Good for you! You should have a blast! My few short years of instructing were incredible!

I will have to look for you this winter.

Have fun, enjoy the people, and...clinic, clinic, clinic!

[img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #25 of 34
They will probably give you a short training course in how to teach. Take note of all the excellent advice in this thread...but remember, you'll be more effective to your class if you come across as confident. So on your course, try to build yourself a teaching framework, a checklist of stages/things to cover. It's like anything, you reduce it to a small number of keywords, and that way you won't feel that you're floundering. There'll be some kind of progression they teach you as their preferred method...commit it to memory, get a few sub-points under that (at this stage, we can do this, this and this), and so the first few lessons you give won't be a confused muddle (to you!).
After that, it all becomes more relaxed and you can start to add things and fiddle and experiment and build "your" teaching bag of tricks!

Sugarbowl is heavily oriented to racing, a friend here in Australia was going to send his daughter there for a race programme last US winter. Sounds like a pretty seriously good place from all accounts.

And you won't necessarily be kept teaching low levels. My first teaching job ever was at Mount Snow. After the first few weeks, I seldom got a class below level 3, and usually 4-5. Depends on how you ski and teach, I think.
post #26 of 34
Congrats Dchan! I am glad Iman got back in touch with you! Like I told you before...you are a natural! Hope to see you at convention this year in April (Mt Rose this year), you should be taking your Lev I by then! robin
post #27 of 34
Hey Dchan!

Great to hear you are going to work a REAL JOB!
No seriously now, work all you can. This is a learning experience for all of us. You the class and sometimes your skis. (by the way those brand new ones that do not have a scratch on em, well do not wear them in class ...)
The more you work the more you learn, teach in sub zero, in the RAIN teach all you can volunteer for coverage too.

I was L2 working on L3 I had line up duty and I had to assign instructors. They needed someone to close the school desk one night so I volunteered. Right at closing just as I was turning off the light a littel guy walked into the office all by himself. (8 years old) We sat and talked, he wanted lessons. We had a real good chat. His mom came around the corner and booked a private with me for the next morning. I was walking into the lodge when this Limo pulled up. (this is ALL true so do not even start with me) It was HIM, I helped him up the stairs as the driver got his skies out of the trunk. We skied for about three hours. Had a littel lunch and skied some more. Five days of that! I was invited to dinner and finaly to a family ski vacation at another resort the next year. (I must say that the $100 per lesson TIP was intresting too!)
So keep on trying it is all DOWNHILL FROM HERE!
post #28 of 34
Get to know your student; find out what they want out of the lesson. Ask them questions; be down-to-earth. Be humorous. Remember; your students are watching your every move so be professional. Give them time to ski and try stuff rather than overwhelming them with too much info at once. Keep it simple; don't use technical jargon that they won't understand. And the most important advice: HAVE FUN!!
post #29 of 34

Now the fun begins! Or, damn, I just can't find anything that works for this person. And you will have those days. I hope that you enjoy your new part time job. Although, I doubt that you will find it a job. At least for the first ten to fifteen years or so. Good Luck!---------Wigs [img]tongue.gif[/img]
post #30 of 34
dchan, one more thing: YOU VILL post a daily report on your adventure, OR ELSE!

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