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My experience w/Intuitions

post #1 of 21
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Hi;
I bought a pair of Intuition "Luxury" liners for my packed out Nordicas this fall, had 'em moulded and tried them out last weekend. My results were:

Performance - OUTSTANDING!!
Comfort - Not so great

I found them to be so firm that they caused my tootsies to become tender before lunch. No way I could wear these things for a week on my winter vacation to CO. I know they won't "break-in", so I'm just chalking this up as another life experience. Still cost me a new pair of boots. Oh well, I guess I'm to the age that comfort is very important.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not bashing this product, just didn't work for me.
post #2 of 21
What size did you buy?
post #3 of 21
C.B., it is important not to buckle your boots too tight with intuitions. First time I tried them my feet killed me because I buckled them to tight.

You have to buckle so they are firm but not tight.

I would definitely try this before giving up.
post #4 of 21
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Originally Posted by johnnysdg View Post
C.B., it is important not to buckle your boots too tight with intuitions. First time I tried them my feet killed me because I buckled them to tight.

You have to buckle so they are firm but not tight.

I would definitely try this before giving up.
I went the opposite direction the first ski day and didn't get them firm enough, thinking thte molding would hold the foot securely. I've got three days in them now, and I think I have the buckles dialed in.
post #5 of 21
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Originally Posted by C.B. View Post
Hi;
I bought a pair of Intuition "Luxury" liners for my packed out Nordicas this fall, had 'em moulded and tried them out last weekend. My results were:

Performance - OUTSTANDING!!
Comfort - Not so great

I found them to be so firm that they caused my tootsies to become tender before lunch. No way I could wear these things for a week on my winter vacation to CO. I know they won't "break-in", so I'm just chalking this up as another life experience. Still cost me a new pair of boots. Oh well, I guess I'm to the age that comfort is very important.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not bashing this product, just didn't work for me.
Question---did you have them fit with a toe cap in place? I've got plenty of toe wiggle room and a snug foot as well. If not, you can have them re heated a few times, get them re formed with either a toe cap or some folks say for slightly less toe room, a cut off toe of an old fairly thick sock and wear that instead of teh toe cap do-hickey (highly technical term)
post #6 of 21
C.B., in addition to skier_j's question,

did you have these moulded with a separate footbed in the liner?
post #7 of 21
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C.B., in addition to skier_j's question,

did you have these moulded with a separate footbed in the liner?
Yup...toe cup in place, my custom footbeds in place. It's not that they don't fit, to the contrary, they fit like the proverbial glove. I just don't like the "won't-give-a-mm" feeling. These things are pretty hard. I like a little softness for my old feet! Just my opinion, nothing wrong with the product. Control is amazing!
post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by C.B. View Post
Yup...toe cup in place, my custom footbeds in place. It's not that they don't fit, to the contrary, they fit like the proverbial glove. I just don't like the "won't-give-a-mm" feeling. These things are pretty hard. I like a little softness for my old feet! Just my opinion, nothing wrong with the product. Control is amazing!
OK. I'm new to intuition liners (or any other heat moldable liners) I just exhausted my helpful hints!
post #9 of 21
Intuitions do pack out.

Feet do adapt.

Remoulding is always an option.
post #10 of 21
if anything i have people saying they sfeel too soft.... try having them re moulded
post #11 of 21
I'd suggest you go back for a followup adjustment.
My Intuitions had two hot spots that were worked out to give me a little more room without a full remolding. If that had not worked the shop would have heated them a second time.
I agree they are firm but I think you're making a mistake If you don't have the shop work on them at least one more time.
Firm replacement liners may not be best for those of us who ski for several days in a row and then go back home and then a month later when we try to ski several more days in a row.
They sure support your foot and leg as advertised. I'm going to stay with mine a few more days.
post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by C.B. View Post
Hi;
I bought a pair of Intuition "Luxury" liners for my packed out Nordicas this fall, had 'em moulded and tried them out last weekend. My results were:

Performance - OUTSTANDING!!
Comfort - Not so great

I found them to be so firm that they caused my tootsies to become tender before lunch. No way I could wear these things for a week on my winter vacation to CO. I know they won't "break-in", so I'm just chalking this up as another life experience. Still cost me a new pair of boots. Oh well, I guess I'm to the age that comfort is very important.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not bashing this product, just didn't work for me.
I am expecting my intuition freerides tomorrow to replace my second pair of stock liners on my nordica speedmachine 14's "i had about 100 days on each set of liners". I chose the freerides over the luxury for a more comforable fit and they a not as stiff as luxurys. I also chose 27.5 vs 27 do to the liner thickness do to custom grinding and a few places i have had blown out. I emailed Alison at Intution a few times with fitting questions and spoke to my bootfitter on a couple other specifics. I am getting them cooked next week.
post #13 of 21
I'd post this in the "Ask the Boot Guys" forum, maybe a mod could move it for you.
Skiing-in-Jackson did my Intuition's and he is one of the Boot Guys. I know he does a lot of Intuition's each year and would knowledgeable of your specific liner.
My only other thought would be use the thinest socks possible, but, you may be doing that allready. I'd use them a second day and then have them recooked with more toe room. My toes were a little tight initially, but did loosen up.
Hope this helps.
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by comprex View Post
Intuitions do pack out.

Feet do adapt.

Remoulding is always an option.
+1 They'll pack out, but in a good way!
post #15 of 21
I plan on purchasing intuition liners and having them molded next Tuesday (12/16) at Fire on the Mountain in Dover, NH. They are the only dealer in the area. They carry the Scarpa line of intuitions and said the Intuition Speed Pro (which is the standard liner in the new Scarpa Typhoon) is the same as the Intuition Luxury liner. I thought it might actually be the Freeride liner and wanted to know if anyone knows if the shop is correct. I definately want the stiffer Luxury equivalent and not the softer freeride.

I also plan on using a Sole footbed and will put it on my foot and then my ski sock over that. I'll use 1 toecap and inside that will place spacers between my toes to keep them from being squeezed inside the toe cap.

My boots are Head Raptor RS 120s and they are a pretty tight fit. 26 or 26.5 I forget which since the shell is the same. I plan on using 26.5 liners.

Is there anything else I should planning for?

Thanks,

John
post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by skinnydog View Post
I also plan on using a Sole footbed and will put it on my foot and then my ski sock over that.
This seems a bit redundant to the ability of the liner itself to fill space underfoot.

I'd get a beefier foot bed with better heel location.
post #17 of 21
A suggestion for you to remold but buckle up tightly during the molding process. This will give you a little more room if you dont like as tight a fit.
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by C.B. View Post
Yup...toe cup in place, my custom footbeds in place. It's not that they don't fit, to the contrary, they fit like the proverbial glove. I just don't like the "won't-give-a-mm" feeling. These things are pretty hard. I like a little softness for my old feet! Just my opinion, nothing wrong with the product. Control is amazing!
Here is a key tip:
When you start skiing, at the beginning of the day, buckle a tad loose. Take a few runs to let the body warmth have an effect on the liner. Then buckle to your tightness comfort.
Intuitions are memory sensitive to individual use. If you buckle too snug to begin with, it won't allow you to adjust after they've warmed to your foot.

Try my tip then report back.

I kinda know what I'm talking about in this regard.
post #19 of 21
Heh, I remember my first couple days in my Thermoflex liners a few years back. It was torturous, but once they packed out a little they became the most comfortable liners I'd ever skied in, and by such a wide margin that won't even consider skiing anything but a heat molded liner anymore.

Wear them around the house in the evenings after work for a while, you will come to consider them to be one of your wisest decisions.
post #20 of 21
I have intiuitions in my alpine and AT boots. I love them and would never wear a boot without them. Couple of thoughts:

1. On the buckle thing - I crank them down but pop them open when i get to the maze. No issues there.

2. there are different kinds of intuitions. In the alpine I have these blue ones with the power wrap. Very little if any cushion - almost feels like plaster. The ones in my AT boots are the Diabelo version (I believe) are feel a lot more like a normal boot liner in terms of "softness". CB - I take it you have the harder one. You'll get used to it and try popping up the buckles between runs.
post #21 of 21
Intuitions are awesome, but race fit boots are not for the casual skier. If you want more comfort mold them with double socks and a fat toe cap.
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