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Kryptons - need to heat mold?

post #1 of 20
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Friends, I bought a pair of Kryptons late last season and skied three times in them. Since I got them on line, the liners have not been heat molded. The shell fit is good - about a finger. The boots have no pressure points and are very comfortable. But seems my feet are a bit loose in them. Might feel that way because I am coming from a pair of Tecnica XT 17's which had a blood pressure cuff fit with the Dobie Comp liners. So was wondering if the is anything to be gained by having them heat molded. These are the stock liners. Would the Silver Intuitions be worth the investment? I love the shells of these boots. But the liners, up to this point, leave me wanting.
TX. David
post #2 of 20
The stock liner does not get heat molded. The Silvers are a great liner, and these do get molded and should give you a perfect mold fit. Find a local Dalbello dealer that has an Intuition heater and discuss the merits of both the Silver and Gold liners.
post #3 of 20
I recommend against heat molding stock liners whenever possible. It just breaks down the liner faster.

If you have the foot for the boot- which it seems like you do, I would suggest skiing the stock liner for awhile. If you want to upgrade, you can always put an intuition into it later.

What kind of footbed are you using?
post #4 of 20
Thread Starter 
Gents, appreciate the quick replies.
Philpug, I seem to remember reading about your experiences with the Kryptons (or was it the Blizzards?), which were most helpful in making my decision. How did you find the replacement liners superior to the stock. I would likely go with the silver, as I have heard that the gold are qute stiff. I would consider making the investment if the liner provided a closer more sevire fit. I miss my Dobie liners.....But the Krypton shell is splendid.
S-I-J, I have a footbed made by a fellow at Jay Peak for my Tecnicas where it worked great. No idea what it is called. Put it in these new boots with same results. Appreciate your suggestion re the liner as well.
David
post #5 of 20
Not sure what you got or what you are using, but the Kryp Pros come with two boot boards, the Kryp Cross only comes with the softer one, which go in the shell underneath/outside the liner. If you have the Cross, or the Pro and are using the soft board, if you switch to the stiff one it tightens up the fit a little.
post #6 of 20
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Originally Posted by mudfoot View Post
Not sure what you got or what you are using, but the Kryp Pros come with two boot boards, the Kryp Cross only comes with the softer one, which go in the shell underneath/outside the liner. If you have the Cross, or the Pro and are using the soft board, if you switch to the stiff one it tightens up the fit a little.
Will check the Krypton magic bag of tricks to see which board I have in there. Are they marked in some fashion?
Obliged.
post #7 of 20
The bottom of the footboard on the softer ones are squishing to the touch and are designed for shock absorbtion, and the other ones are solid. It is easy to tell the difference if you just push on the bottom. The soft ones compress slightly when standing in the boots and therefore give you a bit of extra room. They also ski with a noticebly less solid feel. If you are already using the solid footboards there are certainly other ways to tighten up the fit, but I thought this might be an easy solution.

P.S. The shop tried to heat mold my stock liners and they fell apart. I upgraded to the Gold Dalebello Intuition liners and they significantly stiffened up the flex of my boots. The Gold liners with the soft tongues are stiffer than the stock liners with the stiff tongues. If you upgrade I would suggest the Silver ones, unless you are looking to significantly beef up the flex.
post #8 of 20
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Mudfoot, given your description, I suspect I have the soft ones loaded. Feels just like you described. Appreciate the tip.
Funny about those ski shops. Seems they wrecked your stock liners by heating them. Spoke to my local shop about heat molding (before I knew this) and was told that after three days in them, heat molding was unnecessary - not ill advised - just unnecessary. I have read enough to know that the gold ones are more than I would want. Know anything about the orange ones? (http://www.dalbello.it/ID_Thermo.aspx) Just went on Dalbello's site this morning to find this product that is new to me.
David
post #9 of 20
Sorry, don't know anything about the new orange liners. I see they have the same high density foam as the Gold liners (which I don't like), but apparently not the expanded toe box, which I do like. The Orange ones look like they might be designed for people with skinny calves.

Philpug would probably be the best source of first hand info on the subject.
post #10 of 20
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Originally Posted by mudfoot View Post
Sorry, don't know anything about the new orange liners. I see they have the same high density foam as the Gold liners (which I don't like), but apparently not the expanded toe box, which I do like. The Orange ones look like they might be designed for people with skinny calves.

Philpug would probably be the best source of first hand info on the subject.
Thanks and happy trails.
post #11 of 20
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Originally Posted by deliberate1 View Post
Gents, appreciate the quick replies.
Philpug, I seem to remember reading about your experiences with the Kryptons (or was it the Blizzards?), which were most helpful in making my decision. How did you find the replacement liners superior to the stock. I would likely go with the silver, as I have heard that the gold are qute stiff. I would consider making the investment if the liner provided a closer more sevire fit. I miss my Dobie liners.....But the Krypton shell is splendid.
S-I-J, I have a footbed made by a fellow at Jay Peak for my Tecnicas where it worked great. No idea what it is called. Put it in these new boots with same results. Appreciate your suggestion re the liner as well.
David
The Silver liner is my liner of choice, even out of the box it fits quite well, molded it is fantastic.

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Originally Posted by mudfoot View Post
Sorry, don't know anything about the new orange liners. I see they have the same high density foam as the Gold liners (which I don't like), but apparently not the expanded toe box, which I do like. The Orange ones look like they might be designed for people with skinny calves.

Philpug would probably be the best source of first hand info on the subject.
The orange liner is in the Proton Surge.
post #12 of 20
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Originally Posted by mudfoot View Post
Not sure what you got or what you are using, but the Kryp Pros come with two boot boards, the Kryp Cross only comes with the softer one, which go in the shell underneath/outside the liner. If you have the Cross, or the Pro and are using the soft board, if you switch to the stiff one it tightens up the fit a little.
Mudfoot, pulled the boots out, and then the liners. Only thing I found under the liner was a thin, black rubber "footboard." It is seems quite attached to the shell. It is pretty much flat (no real instep).And it has the shell size inscribed on it. Is there another footboard (the squishy one, or not) that goes on top of this and directly under the liner? Honestly do not remember replaceable foot boards coming with the boot. That might be part of the problem. Tx

And Philpug, any details on the Proton Surge? Tx
post #13 of 20
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Originally Posted by deliberate1 View Post

And Philpug, any details on the Proton Surge? Tx
Traditional overlap, a bit higher volume than the Krypton.
post #14 of 20
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Originally Posted by deliberate1 View Post
Mudfoot, pulled the boots out, and then the liners. Only thing I found under the liner was a thin, black rubber "footboard." It is seems quite attached to the shell. It is pretty much flat (no real instep).And it has the shell size inscribed on it. Is there another footboard (the squishy one, or not) that goes on top of this and directly under the liner? Honestly do not remember replaceable foot boards coming with the boot. That might be part of the problem. Tx

And Philpug, any details on the Proton Surge? Tx
That's it. It's black, flat, and has the size in big numbers at the heel. If you just press on the top of it you can feel if it is a little squishy or solid. You remove it by prying up around the back of the heel. It has a part on the bottom of the heel that fits into a hole in the shell, and the shell has two posts the stick up into the footboard so it doesn't shift while you are skiing. It should pop out with a little upward pressure. I switched mine back and forth a couple of times.

The Krypton Cross comes with only the soft footboards and soft tongues. The Pro comes with both stiff and soft tongues and footboards, but should have had the solid footboard and stiff tongue installed when they came from the factory. You get a bag with the forward lean wedges, cuff stiffeners, and extra tongues and footboards with the Pros.

It sounds like you have the Cross model if you didn't get the extra tongues and footboards. The solid footboards make a difference in the fit, but it's not huge. You should check with Phil and see if he has access to a set of the solid footboards in your shell size, or talk to your local dealer. You might put a post up here to see if anybody has a pair they are not using.
post #15 of 20
The Cross the the Pro are exactly the same shell, so if I put the soft footboard and soft tongue in my Pros they are the same as your stock Crosses, and conversly you can upgrade your Crosses to Pros by switching tongues and footboards. At least that's that way it worked on the original models.
post #16 of 20
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Mudfoot, thatks again. Ya, definitely the solid foot board installed. And I apparently do have the Pro model becasue I did get the bag of tricks because I have the two tongues, My lovely put the accessory bag somewhere. Will do the big search this weekend. But as long as I have the rigid foot board, that is satisfying.
If I could bend your ear a bit more. I have decided to get the silver liners. May even get fit today if they have them. Can you give me a primer on what to ask for and look for with the fitting processs. I know that the skill of the tech can make a difference, and I do not know how many times they may have done this work. Heard something about molded with or without caps. Not sure what that is. And should I have the liners molded with my footbeds? They are custom, but were trimmed for my old XT shells. Seem to have worked well for the couple times I skied the Pro's last spring.
Really appreciate your help.
David
post #17 of 20
If things do not turn out just right you can have the liners reheated and remolded, so don't worry too much. I suggest having them use toe caps and do it with your foot beds in the liners. It will feel pretty hot and you need to buckle your boots very tight and stand on an incline giving you forward lean while they set up. If you have pressure points they can spot heat and press them out later if necessay. It is best to use a local shop so you can go back a couple of times until they are perfect. Good luck!
post #18 of 20
Mudfoot has brought in some very good ideas here. Use the neopreme toe caps when molding, they build a better toe box. Also, buckle the boots loosely during the heating process, it fills up the volume better.
post #19 of 20
Phil certainly has had more experience with these liners than I have, so I would listen to him. My theory is they if you have problem spots, like I do with my ankle bones, if you buckle the boots tighter there during the fitting process it will push the foam away from that area and give you more room.
post #20 of 20
Thread Starter 
All good stuff. Called every shop in my state (Maine). None had the liners, and to some, the querie seemed even puzzling. I would prefer not to be fitted by a shop which regards this as a curiosity. Not all Dal dealers carrry the pro line. May have to go over to NH where they may know a bit about this. That is why I am particularly grateful for the on line help. Tx again, and to any one who may have some nuggets to add.
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